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    Please change the Favor tome for achieving 1750 favor in an upgrade tome (x)->(x+1). Base value +2
    Let the game check what tomes you have used. For each stat you will recieve either a +2 if none or +1 taken or an upgrade tome, pushing it one step further until the maximum is reached.

    Im getting sad each life when i have to kill one of those.

    I think it would be a good way to make the favor worth again, even for vets.
    If you think it is too powerfull:
    no tomes used: 24 lifes for all tomes to max
    only +2 tomes used: 18 lifes to max.
    It should be save to assume the avarage time is still about 10+ lifes
    Should be worth smth.
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    turn them into ebberon shards for crafting
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    less buffing, more nerfing!!!
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    something def needs to be done as Im fed up of not being able to use them too.


    I dont craft as my game time is limited and Id rather spend that time questing, so changing the tome to crafting items is useless to me (and I suspect many others)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay203 View Post
    turn them into ebberon shards for crafting
    First, add something useful to craft

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    First, add something useful to craft
    Agreed with the above. I think the OP's suggestion is OP for a mere 1750 favor. That might be all right at about double that.
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    This is still an important benchmark reward for new players/toons. I think it should be left alone, and for the record I am long since past it being useful to me either.
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    How about just simply making it an unbound tome? That way you could at the very least sell it on the AH for a few bucks. I would be okay with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrinityTurtle View Post
    This is still an important benchmark reward for new players/toons. I think it should be left alone, and for the record I am long since past it being useful to me either.
    This.

    I'm very much looking forward to my first tome; it will make a difference for my first character to reach that level of favor and it's a nice carrot to have in view.

    Ask for something to be added or to be modified in a way that doesn't take perks away that many newer players are likely to appreciate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sireric View Post
    How about just simply making it an unbound tome? That way you could at the very least sell it on the AH for a few bucks. I would be okay with that.
    Unbound? No!

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    IMO, they should change those favor benchmarks:

    • 1000 Favor: Choice of +1 BtC tome, 5 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 5,000 renown token.
    • 2000 Favor: Choice of a +1 to +2 BtC upgrade tome, 10 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 10,000 renown token.
    • 3000 Favor: Choice of a +2 to +3 BtC upgrade tome, 15 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 15,000 renown token.
    • 4000 Favor: Choice of a +3 to +4 BtC upgrade tome, 20 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 20,000 renown token.
    • 5000 Favor (currently unachievable): Choice of a +4 to +5 BtC upgrade tome, 25 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 25,000 renown token.


    This way, if your character can benefit from a tome, you can take it. If you don't benefit from a tome, you can either get more purified shards (that some people want) or guild renown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nibel View Post
    IMO, they should change those favor benchmarks:

    • 1000 Favor: Choice of +1 BtC tome, 5 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 5,000 renown token.
    • 2000 Favor: Choice of a +1 to +2 BtC upgrade tome, 10 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 10,000 renown token.
    • 3000 Favor: Choice of a +2 to +3 BtC upgrade tome, 15 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 15,000 renown token.
    • 4000 Favor: Choice of a +3 to +4 BtC upgrade tome, 20 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 20,000 renown token.
    • 5000 Favor (currently unachievable): Choice of a +4 to +5 BtC upgrade tome, 25 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 25,000 renown token.


    This way, if your character can benefit from a tome, you can take it. If you don't benefit from a tome, you can either get more purified shards (that some people want) or guild renown.

    I think the entire favor system needs a relook. One of the devs a year or more back said they were looking at it but I guess it didn't go anywhere

    I do think you are on to something though. I think your numbers for purified shareds and renown are a bit high, but conceptually I like the alternatives.

    1750 should still be maintained as the 32 pt build mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gkar View Post
    I think the entire favor system needs a relook. One of the devs a year or more back said they were looking at it but I guess it didn't go anywhere

    I do think you are on to something though. I think your numbers for purified shareds and renown are a bit high, but conceptually I like the alternatives.

    1750 should still be maintained as the 32 pt build mark.
    Yes - Removing the 1750 target is wrong!

    The Renown however - I'd suggest it's too low personally

    1000 Favour is hardly a day's work after all
    2000 is not required to hit 20 and TR
    None of my characters have hit 3000 as yet {The closest is at about 2900}.

    I'd suggest:

    1750 favour - 25000 Renown Token, +2 BtA Tome of your Choice, 1000 Random Greater Essences.
    2500 Favour - 50000 Renown Token, +3 BtA Tome of your Choice, 2000 Random Greater Essences.
    3300 Favour - 75000 Renown Token, +4 BtC Tome of your Choice, 4000 Random Greater Essences.

    Purified Dragonshards are only useful to a few Heavy Crafters - Greater Essences are Useful to Everyone!
    The +4 Tome doesn't need to be BtA - Anyone with a full set of +4s has already won the game!

    And as for the Renown - If possible this should be exempt from Decay totally! - Anyone who's earned that much favour for a guild isn't likely to be going anywhere BUT if they disappear for any reason....
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    I cannot agree to BtA tomes for a character's personal favor. Lore-wise it just does not make any sense. It is favor that specific character earned, therefor if you want the tome on another character, then that character must earn the favor.
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    As a newish player who doesn't craft I was very disappointed when I got my first character to 1750 to get a tome of uselessness (on account of already having used the +2 tomes she needed). Now I have a couple of other characters approaching that milestone, who also have already used the +2 tomes that they need and so it doesn't seem like a milestone at all. They too will get the +2 tome of uselessness to sit in their banks ad infinitum. I would much prefer other options...perhaps greater XP elixirs or big renown tokens or an upgrade tome to the next level...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musouka View Post
    I cannot agree to BtA tomes for a character's personal favor. Lore-wise it just does not make any sense. It is favor that specific character earned, therefor if you want the tome on another character, then that character must earn the favor.
    Lore wise it makes PERFECT sense. I never in all the decades I played D&D had any item that I couldn't see or trade (except cursed ones, and it wouldn't make sense this was cursed).

    By D&D lore, the tomes should be unbound.

    Within DDO, there is no particular lore reason that I can see why the gift wouldn't be unbound either (Argo favor options by comparison are unbound)

    The reality is the only reason they are BtC now is that when 1750 was introduced the level cap was 10 or 12 (I forget) and a +1 tome was probably one of the 5 or 6 rareist most valuable items out there. Basically, they were raid loot quality (with the earliest ones falling in Tempest Spine and Von 6)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gkar View Post
    Lore wise it makes PERFECT sense. I never in all the decades I played D&D had any item that I couldn't see or trade (except cursed ones, and it wouldn't make sense this was cursed).

    By D&D lore, the tomes should be unbound.

    Within DDO, there is no particular lore reason that I can see why the gift wouldn't be unbound either (Argo favor options by comparison are unbound)

    The reality is the only reason they are BtC now is that when 1750 was introduced the level cap was 10 or 12 (I forget) and a +1 tome was probably one of the 5 or 6 rareist most valuable items out there. Basically, they were raid loot quality (with the earliest ones falling in Tempest Spine and Von 6)
    Nyx awarded your character with the tome, not your other character. Do you really want to dishonor him by regifting what he gave you?

    I believe all favor rewards should be BtC, because it was that character that earned it. Much like my stance on Raid Loot.

    There isn't an account-wide favor system. If there was, I would be all-in for account bound rewards for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musouka View Post
    Nyx awarded your character with the tome, not your other character. Do you really want to dishonor him by regifting what he gave you?
    Since he would have no way to know if I used the tome myself or not, I would have no problem at all making use of it as I saw fit.

    It's no different than any end reward really.

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    Please make some kind of change to make them(the favor) useful.

    (I would simply settle for them being unbound)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talon_Moonshadow View Post
    Please make some kind of change to make them(the favor) useful.

    (I would simply settle for them being unbound)
    I'd settle for BtA!

    Unbound isn't settling in my view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FranOhmsford View Post
    I'd suggest:

    1750 favour - 25000 Renown Token, +2 BtA Tome of your Choice, 1000 Random Greater Essences.
    2500 Favour - 50000 Renown Token, +3 BtA Tome of your Choice, 2000 Random Greater Essences.
    3300 Favour - 75000 Renown Token, +4 BtC Tome of your Choice, 4000 Random Greater Essences.
    Your favor marks are very close to my original suggestion on this matter. Then someone pointed to me that those values are too easy to achieve for a +3/+4 tome.

    Putting the tomes at each 1k marks makes tracking easier, and if you are in a TR train, you still need to make some effort to reach those favor marks (by running more quests instead of farming the same 50 ones).

    I wouldn't change the 1750 mark for 32-pts builds, or the 2500 mark for FvS.

    I also don't like the idea of giving grater essences, since you could just sell those on the AH. It would inflate the market very fast. Keeping the purified shards is a bonus because they are one of the hardest ingredients for you to get. You need to sacrifice eberron shards (very rare collectables), or tomes for them. Again, if you don't use them, get the tome or the renown.
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