Also, fix all of the other chests in Lords of Dust & Servants of the Overlord. The EH and EE versions of the non-epic chests have been bugged since June.
Bug reports have gotten us nowhere on this.
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There's no danger of some sneaky exploitative token farm.
Tokens and token fragments are an awesome incentive to actually do optionals. I would genuinely consider killing that Rust Monster in Snitch or the Assassination director in BoB, etc if they dropped fragments.
Also, please fix the issue with the side chests in Lords of Dust and Servants of the Overlord not dropping seals on EH and EE.
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In Von 3 the breakables in the Troll Ambassador optional room are slow to get to and unnecessary for ransack.
Blind insta-kills floating eye balls.
If our QA team can verify a bug, then they assign it to a developer to get fixed.
For all that is understandable an actual list of player submitted bugs that ARE issues should be posted that way we know that an issue is an issue or an issue is not an issue.
I don't know the steps that QA does to test drops, but when players across servers are all saying the same thing, something is wrong. Players have to spend literal DAYS to figure this up. I seriously doubt that QA is allowed to blow budget in the same fashion, but it is the method that is important so it is what they should be doing.
Long standing bugs I don't report. Why? Why should I waste my time when obviously some manager doesn't give a damn about it that it never gets fixed. Which only goes to show lack of caring or programming ability at Turbine. Which sucks for the developers as that is who people/players will point their fingers at when in reality you can only perform on that which you are tasked (for the most part.)
edit: In fact, help us then. Bug report would be saying "Spinner of Shadows chain does not drop scrolls from mob kills nor do seals/shards drop in chest on Epic Hard or Epic Normal".
Now seriously, and I am NOT being sarcastic here, what more do you need us to say for QA to re produce this?
Last edited by Missing_Minds; 01-29-2013 at 10:54 AM.
new epic hard and epic elite loot tables are called epic hard and epic elite.
epic normal is by default still just referred to as epic.
this chain wasn't updated to get epic hard / epic elite tables, we're just lucky epic normal is referred to as epic.
Last edited by fTdOmen; 01-29-2013 at 10:58 AM.
Of course your comment leads to a larger issue, either you did not check Turbine's internal bug list to see if it had been reported, which I can kind of understand, busy and all that, ok; however, if you did check and several reports are not already listed then, I would say, "This is why a lot of us have little faith in the bug reporting tool."
While I know Turbine will not do it, it is high time the known bug list be made public and be updated on the fly, I would suggest using something like Jara and giving the community read only access, this why we could see what bugs are listed and if we have any additional input that would be helpful or not. As it is most people do not bother with bug reporting, simply because they know it will either be ignored or it will be months before it is ever looked at.
Issues are reported with a bug reporting tool.
Your QA problem is that they are just lazy.
I bet that your bug_reports table in the database has over 9000 unresolved reports (double reports included).
The main reason why you refuse to fix GUI bugs or similar things is not that they aren't reported, it's just because most developers just don't think it worth it. They rather like to work on the new things and think how great their skill is.
The main point here is that devs don't like details and they postpone them.
I mean, take a look at your game. It takes 7 years for you to finally make full prestige enhancements for every class you have in the game. Instead of doing revamps and rebalancing, you'll actually implement most lines for the first time ever!!!
It's not that you lack originality, it's just that you're to sloppy.
Your servers are trash! Get some new hardware!
I have more complaints and believe me, it's not worth it to make a systematic approach to analyzing what you broke with every update. That's your QA Department's job!
You don't care for the quality of the service you deliver. Lamannia is just a small step towards "functionally correct game" and "good communication with players".
How exactly should we do that? I'm really happy to help, but I can see no other information that we can give on this, than N runs (en/eh/ee) and N drops (en/eh/ee) and we've already reported that (I have a few months ago). And still that is nothing more, than saying: run the quest enough times to get a good enough statistical sample (there will NEVER be a definite proof).
Or are you all expecting to get 1000 quest run reports, including: levels of all characters, classes of all characters, EDs of all characters, completion times, etc... before you even get to believe us? Not even fix or investigate, just believe.
I'm giving everyone the benefit of the doubt and I honestly very much respect all of your work (You and everyone at Turbine), but this suggestion sounds really idiotic. Imploring us to do something impossible will not help anyone.
Last edited by BruceTheHoon; 01-29-2013 at 11:35 AM.
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Also, most players are not professional system analysts and basically don't care much about how they word their bug reports. I understand that's impossible to fix a bug which you cannot reproduce or cannot find.
But give me a break, you're a professional company worth over 300 million US$ - can't you organize yourself better?
It's not about being overzealous, but even if you get a report - it's your job to try to find a bug. Not every report will have a step-by-step approach of describing things. Sure, ignore it... But for most you should fix them and not put them on "known issues list".
"Known issues list" is a lazy sticky which tells the world - "Hey, here are the things we know about and don't want to fix or don't have the time!" Find time!
It's bugs and lag that ruin this game. It would be a far better game you didn't focus so much on updating your store with trash items! It would be far better if you'd just do what you do best - produce diverse content - with new story lines, new monsters, new items and not somewhat refurbishing old content.
Old content is mostly a drag - something that must be consumed to get to the "new good stuff".
I see complaints don't make sense. This won't change no matter what I say.
Do whatever and however you like.
Last edited by red_cardinal; 01-29-2013 at 11:25 AM.
I went ahead and bugged reported it and attached the link below to it.
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