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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurzifer View Post
    ... Currently working on Juggernaut for Xpack and enhancement pass as well as a new build called Phantom Lancer which will be quite different and similar at the same time.

    Stay tuned :P ...
    Doing a test post on a subscribed thread that I didn't start in part to help someone who is having an issue with subscribed threads.

    Looking forward to the builds after the expansion drops as I have multiple WF alts that will need to be reincarnated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurzifer View Post
    1st Prio: Pinion

    Currently working on Juggernaut for Xpack and enhancement pass as well as a new build called Phantom Lancer which will be quite different and similar at the same time.

    Stay tuned :P

    @Blue1111001235923405134: trapping is part of the build, get more INT!
    Centered has its benefits especially with new Update when u can have grandmaster stances with 2 monk levels.
    You are centered when not using MIthral or Adamantine body and you are using a Monk weapon like Quarterstaff, unarmed kamas or bow with zen archery.

    You missed a few zeros

    My stats base WO tomes (+2 added) are
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    Enhancements are stat enhancements thus far, and Recon enhancements

    So far at Lvl 16 I have taken
    Bow STR
    Cleave
    Great Cleave
    Power Attack
    Improved Crit Ranged
    Point Blank Shot
    Precise Shot
    Quicken
    2HF
    Toughness

    Like I said the build so far is 2 Monk, 2 Pally, 12 Arty.

    Do I really want to use a staff to stay centered? I would assume with Cleave and GC that a Greatsword will be more devastating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue100000005 View Post
    Do I really want to use a staff to stay centered? I would assume with Cleave and GC that a Greatsword will be more devastating.
    There are some reasons, after enhancement pass.
    Or, be like me. Sireth... And uncentered. Because... I can. Staff toaster ftw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue100000005 View Post
    You missed a few zeros

    My stats base WO tomes (+2 added) are
    STR 22
    Dex 8
    Con 14
    Int 14
    Wis 6
    Cha 12

    Enhancements are stat enhancements thus far, and Recon enhancements

    So far at Lvl 16 I have taken
    Bow STR
    Cleave
    Great Cleave
    Power Attack
    Improved Crit Ranged
    Point Blank Shot
    Precise Shot
    Quicken
    2HF
    Toughness

    Like I said the build so far is 2 Monk, 2 Pally, 12 Arty.

    Do I really want to use a staff to stay centered? I would assume with Cleave and GC that a Greatsword will be more devastating.
    The Stout Oak Stick from eveningstar is very good weapon for a new toon esp when you can twist in a dance with flowers. Hope it is a wrong dex number you posted...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurzifer View Post

    Currently working on Juggernaut for Xpack and enhancement pass as well as a new build called Phantom Lancer which will be quite different and similar at the same time.

    Stay tuned :P
    Very nice build! I've been wanting to try this out for a while. My current life I TRd to a 16 arti 2 paladin 2 monk currently using a crossbow but always thought about switching to jug with the enhancement pass which is here today . I actually liked this class-split since arti came out for the higher saves and the evasion. I am a completionist but will probably stick with this class mix anyhow because high saves have just always worked good for me. I may even take the no-fail reflex @ 27 I am so drawn to high saves Is there a feat you would drop over completionist since I am taking pal levels instead of ranger? I guess I can drop weapon focus range if it's no longer a prereq for battle engineer.

    I currently have a fully upgraded pinion from my last long life as a ranger and non-upgraded sireth and skybreaker (normal version). No cleaver or SOS but only 9 more runs for a 20th CITW reward option. I am thinking with the new changes and my existing gear being centered with sireth makes the most sense, but am willing to farm for cleaver if that is better (doesn't seem like it with the enh pass changes). I have +4 tomes on all stats. I have 2 unused +4 to 5 tomes (int and str), but was holding off to use until I confirm which character to use it on. That is still up in the air. I have 48 coms so I can fully upgrade sireth. My black dragonscale armor is still tier 1 because I have been on the fence about what to do with my coms. I have the FOT necklace (hard version) but haven't upgraded it yet. So I think I have just enough coms to upgrade sireth, black armor and FOT necklace .... if I can commit. I am forever on the fence about using my coms.

    Looking forward to your thoughts on the enhancement pass changes.
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    Sad to say with the new enhancement line this build is far too confusing to re-work. Please re-make it now the crappy update is out. I LOVED THIS BUILD now I am mad

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    Quote Originally Posted by vampiregoat69 View Post
    Sad to say with the new enhancement line this build is far too confusing to re-work. Please re-make it now the crappy update is out. I LOVED THIS BUILD now I am mad
    I am loving this ;D. My PRR hit 48- Mountain stance. And my Dodge 20%- no item, but in GmoF, 240% Fort- is this even needed? Sireth does 6(w) with 3 new action attacks. I lost some Recon points at 460 now down from 516.

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    Haek I have a question.
    Whats the point in getting precision when it doesnt work with power attack?
    Also with this new enhancements its not worth getting sprint boost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan_Milic View Post
    Haek I have a question.
    Whats the point in getting precision when it doesnt work with power attack?
    Also with this new enhancements its not worth getting sprint boost.
    Depends on what you're doing with your jugger. For manyshot, precision wins by a country mile. Even though I wouldn't bother changing

    However, 25% fort bypass is more viable than power attack, depending on mob/difficulty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vampiregoat69 View Post
    Sad to say with the new enhancement line this build is far too confusing to re-work. Please re-make it now the crappy update is out. I LOVED THIS BUILD now I am mad

    Yeah Ranger doesn't offer a lot in terms of enhancements now that U19 is here - except free arrows I guess.
    And neither do artificer or monk. Especially since you have to take some average* enhancements in the Arti tree to get to the top. (*Average for a Jugger)

    Maybe swap out ranger / paladin for fighter. You'd lose a feat on the ranger but get some weapon dps?
    Or maybe U19 makes paladin splash slightly better cuase at lesat you can get some lay hands, smites and even a defensive stance for the odd time you need to tank?

    Don't know haven't respeced mine yet just thinking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakedamus View Post
    Yeah Ranger doesn't offer a lot in terms of enhancements now that U19 is here - except free arrows I guess.
    And neither do artificer or monk..
    I only just rolled a Bladeforged Jugg build about a week ago. It's currently sitting at 11Arti/2Pali/2Ranger(my own strange twist on the build since I don't own WF)

    With a cursory glance at the enhancements the only trees really worth investing so far were Racial Tree, Deepwood Tree, Tempest Tree, if I could figure out how to find it, the AA Tree. The Arti trees looked entirely pointless except for a bit of Spellpower.

    But with 2 Ranger I had access to(Off the top of my head..Things of note..)

    Deepwood Stalker
    Far Shot(+1 sneak attack die, PBS is increased by 5 meters)
    Damage Boost III
    Tendon Cut III(Melee attack, 1.5[W], on Sneak: Slows enemies by 50% for 10 seconds)
    Favored Resistance III(+3 Saves VS Favored Enemies)

    Tempest Tree
    Shield of Whirling Steel(+2 Shield bonus to AC while dual wielding)
    Whirling Blades(+1 Attack/Damage while dual wielding)
    Improved Reactions III(+3 reflex saves, and +3 saves VS traps)
    Improved Parry III(+10 PRR while dual wielding)
    Haste Boost III
    Bleed Them Out (Melee Attack, +1/2/3[W], causes target to bleed, stacks up to 5 times. 6 second cool down.)

    And if I can figure out how to get AA to work as well(May not be possible to have 3 trees from one class active?)

    Arcane Archer
    Conjure Arrows
    Elemental Arrows (1d6 [Elemental] damage)
    Force Arrows (1d6+3d10 on crit Force damage, Also acts as Ghost Touch)
    Dispelling Shot (+1/2/3 [W] ranged attack, dispels 1 beneficial buff on target, 5SP)
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    Ya im pretty dissapointed myself how the enhancements for Artificers changed from alpha leak to live.

    Getting no Spellpower from Battleengineer feels wrong, but well.
    Skilled mine yesterday and needless to say i spent only as much points in BE as i needed for Tier 12 Core.

    Even with suboptimal enhancements this build still works pretty great, ran couple EE quests in Stormhorn mountains yesterday and didnt really encounter any not self-made problems hehe (looking at you damn gong in Breaking the Ranks :P)

    Will post a new setup for enhancements once i get to it, but imo the way to go with enhancement pass is centered with sireth/pinion and in master earth stance. Fusilade is too expensive in that damn tree to even consider keeping it and it uncenters anyway.

    @Ivan: Precision was a alternative feat my friends took who werent completionist then, it was and still is very good against Heavy Fort bosses like truthful, lob and the red named stuff in Citw. But really not needed once u get Tier 3 Black Docent and got some items to debuff Fort + grims precision twist.

    With the changes to Hidden Doors and the increased DCs on traps and spellwards i kinda will miss my trap skills on my next build, but a friend of mine with whom i play ~80% of the time will stay Juggernaut and the combination of Jugger and Phantom Lancer will utterly destroy everything :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurzifer View Post
    Jugger and Phantom Lancer will utterly destroy everything :P
    Either share this "Phantom Lancer" or cease this mentioning of it goddamnit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurzifer View Post


    Will post a new setup for enhancements once i get to it, but imo the way to go with enhancement pass is centered with sireth/pinion and in master earth stance. Fusilade is too expensive in that damn tree to even consider keeping it and it uncenters anyway.
    in some ways, this is good news for me as I was lucky enough to pull a sireth and haven't even seen a cleaver drop to anyone in 17 runs :-)

    but doesn't master earth stance require 2 more feats? what would you look at dropping from an already tight list? maybe toughness? at first glance, it doesn't seem to have nearly the benefit it used to have.

    so drop toughness and use the additional feat at 27?

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    Current configuration lv 27, centered, sireth, ranger version. Took the grandmaster of stances line dropping toughness, mithral body, and using an epic feat slot.

    175 Fort, Prr hits 88 in earth stance with +24 item, Dodge 15 with +8 item equipped (had it at 21 with dodge feat and tempest tree line).

    Sireth deals 6 (w) with Deadly on. All in Fury ED twisting Mountain stance from GmoF, Momentum Swing, Dance Flowers. 3 Sneak attack die.

    Heals 460 with Recon, and my hp is a bit low for Fury @ 850 in Earth+Primal scream.

    I mean, What's not to love?

    Haek, thank you, It's BEASTLY rawr!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubbinns View Post
    Haek, thank you, It's BEASTLY rawr!
    Running basically the same just dont have grandmaster since thats taken by the damn completionist feat.

    My reconstruct hits me for ~530 on 25, with Epic Spellpower repair, 138 slottet instead of 114 and couple more repair points ill probably hit 600

    Hitpoints went down a bit but the staff enhancements with quickstrike and Lightning Mace are really nice, basically 45% Doublestrike up when those to are running.

    Sireth ftw :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubbinns View Post
    Current configuration lv 27, centered, sireth, ranger version. Took the grandmaster of stances line dropping toughness, mithral body, and using an epic feat slot.
    I recommend dropping grandmaster (master earth is fine 'cause you already get your +1 crit multiplier) and take zen archery to benefit from the PRR and dps boost of the earth stance while using your pinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurzifer View Post

    Will post a new setup for enhancements once i get to it, but imo the way to go with enhancement pass is centered with sireth/pinion and in master earth stance. Fusilade is too expensive in that damn tree to even consider keeping it and it uncenters anyway.
    Post it already.
    Fusilade sucks, I never used it anway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aviya View Post
    I recommend dropping grandmaster (master earth is fine 'cause you already get your +1 crit multiplier) and take zen archery to benefit from the PRR and dps boost of the earth stance while using your pinion.
    What is the name of the feat I need to upgrade to master/grandmaster earth?


    Thanks!

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