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    Default Beast!

    I TR'ed into the ranger version, and re-capped him, and I gotta say: What a beast!
    His original life was a FvS, made just after they came out. He was a strong toon for me. Got a lot of decent gear that life too.
    TR'ed him into an artificer when those came out. And while still hardy, he was pretty Meh (enough so that I dropped him out of the rotation for almost a year).

    But as a Jugg? Wow. I couldn't stop playing it until he capped a couple weeks ago. Just working on destinies now.

    Definitely a go-to character again, though. He's my only toon that competes with my casters in solo-zerging times!
    Thanks for the build, Haek!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boneshank View Post
    I TR'ed into the ranger version, and re-capped him, and I gotta say: What a beast!
    His original life was a FvS, made just after they came out. He was a strong toon for me. Got a lot of decent gear that life too.
    TR'ed him into an artificer when those came out. And while still hardy, he was pretty Meh (enough so that I dropped him out of the rotation for almost a year).

    But as a Jugg? Wow. I couldn't stop playing it until he capped a couple weeks ago. Just working on destinies now.

    Definitely a go-to character again, though. He's my only toon that competes with my casters in solo-zerging times!
    Thanks for the build, Haek!
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    Does Zen Archery feat actually do anything If your dexterity is higher than wisdom score? Was thinking I don't want it and considered swapping Dodge for it. Ranger version centered with Sireth.

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    Keeps you centered with shortbows and longbows. With the build currently as is staying centered while doing your manyshot isn't as important because tier 1 stance doesn't give you much and dance of flowers is still bugged with bows and not working last I recall.

    In the enhancement pass if the monk stance feats stay like they are on lam staying centered with say tier 3 earth stance is enticing to have while using your bow cause of the +1 crit mod on 19-20. That works on bows while not getting the threat increase cause it's a melee threat increase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xorlandu View Post
    Keeps you centered with shortbows and longbows. With the build currently as is staying centered while doing your manyshot isn't as important because tier 1 stance doesn't give you much and dance of flowers is still bugged with bows and not working last I recall.

    In the enhancement pass if the monk stance feats stay like they are on lam staying centered with say tier 3 earth stance is enticing to have while using your bow cause of the +1 crit mod on 19-20. That works on bows while not getting the threat increase cause it's a melee threat increase.
    Thanks for the details. The critical multiplier is very good and to me would be worth the Zen feat. But for now pretty much what you wrote, I figured just wasn't sure. Dance of Flowers reads as: Melee attacks you make while centered. Dont think it would effect Bows. Dodge pushes my dodge % currently to 20 in Windstance, 24 in Water.

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    Hmmm wondering if they updated the tool tip then. Last time I checked it it just said +1.5W while centered, nothing about melee. Granted the last time I checked it was a long time ago.

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    Im almost done with all my ED's and collecting gear (stupid Citw chests) and I got a couple more questions.
    In the video's I see you activating furyshot quite often. On other times you just go full frontal with cleaver + fury overload. Is there a reason for this?
    In op you tell me you can reach 60 prr (sitting at 54 atm) how do you reach that?
    Mytrhil body + tensers gives you 13. Augment gives you 14. Prowess set gives you 15 for a total of 42. Where is the remaining 12? And is that possible while being full dps (so no shield etc)?
    in your VoD run you show us your ED roads in Fury and LD. In LD you take the attack speed bonus. Combined with armor of speed thats a whopping 40% speedbuff. Cleave, Great Cleave and Momentum Swing interrupt the normal attacks though. Is it worth using? Or am I better of using the 25% damage bonus and Cleaving all the way.
    Could you post a screenshot of your char sheet, would love to know your max STR and saves
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    Haek you are a genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeronic View Post
    Im almost done with all my ED's and collecting gear (stupid Citw chests) and I got a couple more questions.
    In the video's I see you activating furyshot quite often. On other times you just go full frontal with cleaver + fury overload. Is there a reason for this?
    In op you tell me you can reach 60 prr (sitting at 54 atm) how do you reach that?
    Mytrhil body + tensers gives you 13. Augment gives you 14. Prowess set gives you 15 for a total of 42. Where is the remaining 12? And is that possible while being full dps (so no shield etc)?
    in your VoD run you show us your ED roads in Fury and LD. In LD you take the attack speed bonus. Combined with armor of speed thats a whopping 40% speedbuff. Cleave, Great Cleave and Momentum Swing interrupt the normal attacks though. Is it worth using? Or am I better of using the 25% damage bonus and Cleaving all the way.
    Could you post a screenshot of your char sheet, would love to know your max STR and saves
    The PRR came from Shield bug and some skilled from Fury at that point, being centered in Earth stance is bonus PRR as well.
    I like the haste boost for LD because of the Manyshot there

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    Saves are +5 higher vs traps and will be much higher next update.

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    Default Maxed LD and Fury and loving it!

    Haek - muchos praise, great build and nice to run with you and some other Juggs last weekend (even if my lowly lvl 23 couldn't quite handle the EE GH just yet!) have now reached cap though and just loving Masters Blitz. What an amazing Epic moment! The crits are just nuts!

    A few questions, if I may; What do you consider key as far as augments go? Obv Heavy Fort (have it in my FBDS Armour), Superior False life (or whatever its called now), full PRR but what else do you suggest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Son_of_the_South View Post
    Haek - muchos praise, great build and nice to run with you and some other Juggs last weekend (even if my lowly lvl 23 couldn't quite handle the EE GH just yet!) have now reached cap though and just loving Masters Blitz. What an amazing Epic moment! The crits are just nuts!

    A few questions, if I may; What do you consider key as far as augments go? Obv Heavy Fort (have it in my FBDS Armour), Superior False life (or whatever its called now), full PRR but what else do you suggest?
    Goggles: Intrigate Field Optics 8 Int, Blindness & Fear Immunity slotted
    Helm: Black Dragon helm 3 Con, Deathblock & 14 PRR slotted
    Necklace: Stormreaver Necklace Disease slotted, Conc Opp 45 HP Greensteel
    Trinket: Planar Focus of Prowess 3 Str
    Cloak: Jeweled Cloak 7 Resistance & 7 Constitution slotted
    Belt: Epic Spare Hand 7 Wisdom & 35 HP slotted
    Ring: Seal of House Avithoul 2 Wisdom
    Ring: Ring of Master Artificer Globe & Good Luck slotted
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    I have slottet everything so far except toughness, might put that into goggles at some point and fear immu from there into stormreaver necklace
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    Thanks for the answers haek, more firing your way!
    In the screenshots ( thanks for those as well!) you have a different ED setup then your VOD run, any reason you dropped tunnel vision? or switched anvil for lay waste?
    Also, why slot fear immunity when you have GH up almost all the time? If I can't I just swith to a chained soldier axe. But for me slotting it ain't worth it. Disease isn't that common in Epics I noticed, switch it out for protection against poison?
    And once more, sometimes I see you use unbridled fury with manyshot (Sweet), sometimes in the same fight with a melee weapon. Is this just flavour? Or is there any reason for that.
    And I agree with above posters. Beastly! (saved it for last or you would stop reading again XD)
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    This maybe a silly question but if you have to be centered as a monk to have evasion work, how can you do this if your always un-centered due to the weapons you use? Makes evasion pointless so this confuses me why 2 monk unless just for feats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vampiregoat69 View Post
    This maybe a silly question but if you have to be centered as a monk to have evasion work, how can you do this if your always un-centered due to the weapons you use? Makes evasion pointless so this confuses me why 2 monk unless just for feats.
    You don't need to be centred for your evasion to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vampiregoat69 View Post
    Makes evasion pointless so this confuses me why 2 monk unless just for feats.
    Evasion is a feat. Not a monk stance.

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    Lurzifer,

    I am enjoying the heck out of your build concept. It's been really fun running my centered version - to the point that I've halted his completionist run. I tried it out when I hit arty on my list of classes and lost the desire to finish out the other six classes lol.

    Anyway, I'm curious about what you've come up with regarding a centered build post EP? I've read a really nice work up by Carpone elsewhere that works on twf with nightmares. But with all of these changes I am reading about, I'm thinking centered builds like mine are about to become exponentially stronger.

    Care to share?
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    Quote Originally Posted by taurean430 View Post
    Lurzifer,

    I am enjoying the heck out of your build concept. It's been really fun running my centered version - to the point that I've halted his completionist run. I tried it out when I hit arty on my list of classes and lost the desire to finish out the other six classes lol.

    Anyway, I'm curious about what you've come up with regarding a centered build post EP? I've read a really nice work up by Carpone elsewhere that works on twf with nightmares. But with all of these changes I am reading about, I'm thinking centered builds like mine are about to become exponentially stronger.

    Care to share?
    I will share my concepts as soon as i know for sure whats up with update and as soon i have tested some options with lesser hearts after update. Stay tuned :P

    @Zeronic:
    Tunnel vision reduces Fort, i like my fort at 165% since thats a nice treshhold vs 55+ CR rogue mobs.
    Fear immu cant be debuffed like GH, and being feard on EE means youre dead. When youre feared u cant switch to weapon so pointless. Disease > poison because there isnt any high level poison besides bebilith that hits a warforged, but bebi cant be resistet. GH EE casts alot of disease and thats being blocked by slot
    When im fighting alot of mobs which can kill me together i like the Fury moment to CC and kill them faster, even if manyshot means faster killing it doesnt mean saver killing if u cant line them up, especially giants If you see me use melee fuy moment its either alot of tough not-red mobs or manyshot is on timer or i ignore manyshot and do something stupid :P
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    Default which weapons to use?

    though this may be impacted by the changes coming soon, would like to get some feedback on which weapon to use if I don't get lucky in my 20 list in about 3 more CitW runs. I have been storing up gear and will TR into the ranger version after I hit my 20th run for CitW and FoT.

    so far I have pulled a nightmare, sireth, needle and today a breach. hoping at least one of pinion or cleaver is available in the 20 list. so a couple of questions

    - if I don't pull anything else in my last few CitW or FoT runs and am somehow lucky enough to have a choice of cleaver and pinion, which should I take? I am leaning towards pinion as sireth sounds very usable until I can get a cleaver. my best back up bow to the pinion is an EH roadwatch

    - if I don't get a cleaver or pinion, should I look at building a centered version and use sireth? or would it be better to go with the breach, taking improved crit slashing so I don't have to switch around feats if I ever land a cleaver?

    really looking forward to joining the Jugg ranks, so close to being ready to take the plunge

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    Default I am trying it too

    I just did an Iconic Jugg build. Seems ok so far, but I feel like I will need to grind for the gear needed. being that I dont have the patience to search through all the pages, are there any special things to consider since i started this with an Iconic.

    Do I need to stay centered? What is the benefit? And how do I (never done anything monk before)

    And do you worry about trapping skills on it? I find that I am having trapping issues cause I have a lower than normal int 12ish.

    Any help would be good, and I will edit when I get my stats.
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    1st Prio: Pinion

    Currently working on Juggernaut for Xpack and enhancement pass as well as a new build called Phantom Lancer which will be quite different and similar at the same time.

    Stay tuned :P

    @Blue1111001235923405134: trapping is part of the build, get more INT!
    Centered has its benefits especially with new Update when u can have grandmaster stances with 2 monk levels.
    You are centered when not using MIthral or Adamantine body and you are using a Monk weapon like Quarterstaff, unarmed kamas or bow with zen archery.
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