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    Quote Originally Posted by Viisari View Post
    Here's a picture I took a while ago. Only thing I'm missing is insightful strength item so with that and ship buffs I could reach 50 strength without using anything special. Tensers and primal scream are a total of +9 to con & str so standing is 36 str and 34 con without any buffs currently.

    Ship buffs are far from necessary, I often don't have them simply because I'm too lazy to go get them.
    Cool, but with saves this high, why would anyone want to take Mithral body? Does Mithral Body still let you Evade?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziindarax View Post
    Cool, but with saves this high, why would anyone want to take Mithral body? Does Mithral Body still let you Evade?
    Mithral Body not only lets you evade, it gives you more PRR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WruntJunior View Post
    Mithral Body not only lets you evade, it gives you more PRR.
    Neat!

    I should probably get to work on acquiring the gear needed to become the Juggernaught...

    Or maybe I should work on TR-farming so I can get completionist? I've got wizard, sorcerer, cleric, Druid, Ranger, Rogue, Bard, and Barbarian lives to go through...

    One of the suggested twists for those who were "centered", was dance of flowers; is this for those who want to utilize unarmed combat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziindarax View Post
    There is one question that still has yet to be answered - By level 25, what would the stats be for the Juggernaught (Paladin/Ranger version, though I have the 36 point build option for my main [just no completionist]) with gear, but before buffs?

    Also, are ship buffs an absolute requirement (I often find myself without the ability to get high-end ship buffs, and as a consequence, try not to make builds that depend upon them.)?
    Here are my unbuffed stats for the paladin version; I never use shipbuffs so these are accurate:
    http://p.ddocrafting.info/index.php?...kup%21&p=myddo

    Note that I forgot to slot 7 wis and only slotted 6 int, so my wis and int are now uneven. Str and con will be even when using primal scream. Notice that reflex is already 50 without GH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forzah View Post
    Here are my unbuffed stats for the paladin version; I never use shipbuffs so these are accurate:
    http://p.ddocrafting.info/index.php?...kup%21&p=myddo

    Note that I forgot to slot 7 wis and only slotted 6 int, so my wis and int are now uneven. Str and con will be even when using primal scream. Notice that reflex is already 50 without GH.
    Ah...

    Just one more question - with this build, how would the level up Ability score boosts best be distributed? Should I put them all in strength, or distribute them across strength, constitution, dexterity, and intelligence/charisma?
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    On second thought, wouldn't it be better to take extend spell, or Precise shot versus Mithral body? I cannot imagine the PRR offered by Mithral body being great enough to warrant delaying precise shot (or tying up a feat so that you cannot get 2 Epic Feats instead). :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziindarax View Post
    On second thought, wouldn't it be better to take extend spell, or Precise shot versus Mithral body? I cannot imagine the PRR offered by Mithral body being great enough to warrant delaying precise shot (or tying up a feat so that you cannot get 2 Epic Feats instead). :/

    There's only one spell for which extend spell would be relevant; Tensers transform. That spell is quite dangerous since it doubles your cooldowns on reconstruct, so you don't want to extend it all the time. I skipped mithral body on the paladin version and took precise shot.

    Levelups go into strength.

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    Level ups in strength, exception would be if you wanted to take epic toughness and don't have the base(21) with your tomes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forzah View Post
    There's only one spell for which extend spell would be relevant; Tensers transform.
    I thought Extend is mainly for Paladin PL Divine Favor?

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    I'm currently playing one of these, and it's a ****load of fun, but I've got a question...
    How much dps should I be hitting with a Stout Walking Stick? (House P and CiTW aren't showing any love, unless I'm meant to use a nightmare/rune arm variant...?)
    I'm doing decent compared to most, but.. How hard should I be hitting, not including weapon effects (such as fracturing)? Not centered, assuming all str/dmg buffs, in dreadnought? (and please list them, so I can improve if I'm as behind as I feel I am)

    Thanks in advance.

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    Just capped (25) a ranger version that uses khopeshes. Fun build so far. At some point I was considering moving to mornh's which frees up a feat and does better dps.
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    Hmm, interesting.

    I have my own Juggernaut (Paladin version) at lvl 6, on my 2nd life. I've been thinking if trading off Manyshot, Bow Strength and once of the epic feats to THF line (other epic feat would probably be Overwhelming Critical) would be good if I want to focus more on melee than ranged (I still have repeating Xbow for ranged things).

    Or is the versatility better off here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uhkam View Post
    Hmm, interesting.

    I have my own Juggernaut (Paladin version) at lvl 6, on my 2nd life. I've been thinking if trading off Manyshot, Bow Strength and once of the epic feats to THF line (other epic feat would probably be Overwhelming Critical) would be good if I want to focus more on melee than ranged (I still have repeating Xbow for ranged things).

    Or is the versatility better off here?
    Bad idea. There's 2 factors to be considered there:

    1. If you decide to go LD, DPS when you're manyshooting outclasses your thf and xbow damage by a strong amount. It's an excellent way to get the first few stacks in a blitz going, and a good way to start a boss fight when your blitz stacks are starting to go down (and in that case your objective is to frontload your dps as much as possible to take advantage of the stacks that are running out).
    2. If you're going fury, adrenaline shot is the highest burst DPS in the game outside a shiradi that got the tea buff. And you can do the epic moment version every 5 minutes, and the adrenaline version any time you want.

    Manyshot is so fun I even have it on my kensei right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkForte View Post
    Bad idea. There's 2 factors to be considered there:

    1. If you decide to go LD, DPS when you're manyshooting outclasses your thf and xbow damage by a strong amount. It's an excellent way to get the first few stacks in a blitz going, and a good way to start a boss fight when your blitz stacks are starting to go down (and in that case your objective is to frontload your dps as much as possible to take advantage of the stacks that are running out).
    2. If you're going fury, adrenaline shot is the highest burst DPS in the game outside a shiradi that got the tea buff. And you can do the epic moment version every 5 minutes, and the adrenaline version any time you want.

    Manyshot is so fun I even have it on my kensei right now.
    I think most endgame players are fitting manyshot in their builds right now esp. after they run a few Fot´s!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulfurnace View Post
    I'm currently playing one of these, and it's a ****load of fun, but I've got a question...
    How much dps should I be hitting with a Stout Walking Stick? (House P and CiTW aren't showing any love, unless I'm meant to use a nightmare/rune arm variant...?)
    I'm doing decent compared to most, but.. How hard should I be hitting, not including weapon effects (such as fracturing)? Not centered, assuming all str/dmg buffs, in dreadnought? (and please list them, so I can improve if I'm as behind as I feel I am)

    Thanks in advance.
    You should be critting over 1k at least my druid was when he used the stick in LD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sokól View Post
    You should be critting over 1k at least my druid was when he used the stick in LD.
    With or without blitz? With blitz, that's not exactly hard.. Without it.. and I'm screwed lol

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    Default Sireth or Pinion??

    Question for the experienced Juggs........

    I have managed to get a Cleaver (and Needle and Breach). I'm working on running 20 CitW's before i TR and want to know, in case i cant get BOTH Sireth and Pinion which one would be a MUST have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Son_of_the_South View Post
    Question for the experienced Juggs........

    I have managed to get a Cleaver (and Needle and Breach). I'm working on running 20 CitW's before i TR and want to know, in case i cant get BOTH Sireth and Pinion which one would be a MUST have?
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    I TR'd my first life tukaw build in a juggernaut 2 days ago, currently lvl 8.

    I don't get why in your build you take PBS at lvl 1 instead of Bow Strength.
    Other than that and the fact I can only open quests on hard (2nd life premium), it's pretty awesome.
    I haven't died yet, I'm usually the top DPS/kill count (thank you Cleave/Great Cleave) in the group and I can do elite traps (thank you cannith crafted Search +10 goggles ml 5).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ykt View Post
    I TR'd my first life tukaw build in a juggernaut 2 days ago, currently lvl 8.

    I don't get why in your build you take PBS at lvl 1 instead of Bow Strength.
    Other than that and the fact I can only open quests on hard (2nd life premium), it's pretty awesome.
    I haven't died yet, I'm usually the top DPS/kill count (thank you Cleave/Great Cleave) in the group and I can do elite traps (thank you cannith crafted Search +10 goggles ml 5).
    pretty sure it is due to the fact that PBS is an artie bonus feat and bow strength is not. feats are pretty tight on this build and it's important to take class bonus feats to make sure you get everything you want. similar reason for taking toughness at lvl 2 using a monk bonus feat.

    and believe that PBS is a prereq for bow strength. so if not going the ranger route, need it first any way
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