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    Default How Do I Make A Bard Enchanter

    At this point in my DDO career, I have a multilife Sorcbot, a multilife Artificer, a first life Wizard and a first life FS.
    It is time for me to make a Human Bard.

    I want to make him the best enchant/fascinate build he can be.

    I have 32 point build and Vet status II.

    Starting with the basics:

    1) stat spread at lvl 1 and where to place them at lvl up.

    2) Feat choices to come in at lvl 7 and be as effective as possible at lvl 7 (I have a crafter so don't concentrate on gear)

    3) What feats should I have at lvl 20?

    4) Is spell pen an issue with Bards? If so then I will be TRing this toon eventually (3x Wizzie)

    5) Outside of enchantments, what spells would an experienced TR expect me to be packing if I joined their group.

    6) What about undead? Do I have to take necro focus as well or do Bards have something special for this?

    7) Any other small tips and tricks of the trade would be helpful

    Thanks in advance for all the advice.

    I did search the forums for something but could only find stuff relating to EDs and specific abilities...not actual starter build advice.
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    I haven't played a CC bard at the current endgame, so I can only give you general pointers.

    1) Max Cha, rest in Con, some in Str (in order to cope with load, if needed). I suggest Human, because feats are awfully tight.
    2) +3) Spellsinger is the caster-oriented bard pre, and requires (amongst others) one of Spell Focus: Enchantment, Maximize or Mental Toughness.
    I recommend taking the SF. Other useful feats are Toughness, Heighten, Quicken, GSF:E, Maximize (you might want to heal a bit). Of course, Spell Penetration is useful.
    4) Spell Pen is the same as with FVS, Wizzes and Sorcs: It helps a lot, especially when fighting drow.
    5) There is a thread with a similar aim as yours, and it has a nice Spell breakdown included: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=402933
    6) Music of the Dead is an Enhancement which allows you to fascinate them.
    7) Fascinate comes quite naturally, and if you max your cha, and level up your Perform, you will have a good DC. I don't think that a skill focus: perform is necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by karl_k0ch View Post
    I haven't played a CC bard at the current endgame, so I can only give you general pointers.

    1) Max Cha, rest in Con, some in Str (in order to cope with load, if needed). I suggest Human, because feats are awfully tight.
    2) +3) Spellsinger is the caster-oriented bard pre, and requires (amongst others) one of Spell Focus: Enchantment, Maximize or Mental Toughness.
    I recommend taking the SF. Other useful feats are Toughness, Heighten, Quicken, GSF:E, Maximize (you might want to heal a bit). Of course, Spell Penetration is useful.
    4) Spell Pen is the same as with FVS, Wizzes and Sorcs: It helps a lot, especially when fighting drow.
    5) There is a thread with a similar aim as yours, and it has a nice Spell breakdown included: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=402933
    6) Music of the Dead is an Enhancement which allows you to fascinate them.
    7) Fascinate comes quite naturally, and if you max your cha, and level up your Perform, you will have a good DC. I don't think that a skill focus: perform is necessary.
    Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ushurak View Post
    1) stat spread at lvl 1 and where to place them at lvl up.
    - CHA: I don't like min-maxing, but 16+ is advisable; all level-ups in CHA;
    - decent CON (14+);
    - INT: bards have lotsa class skills; pick the ones you want and adjust INT as needed;
    - STR/DEX: 12-14 is usually enough;
    - WIS: usually dumped, especially if you consider Force of Personality feat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ushurak View Post
    2) Feat choices to come in at lvl 7 and be as effective as possible at lvl 7 (I have a crafter so don't concentrate on gear)

    3) What feats should I have at lvl 20?
    I would definitely pick the following 5 feats:
    - Toughness
    - Spell Focus: Enchantment and Heighten: both satisfy requirements for Spellsinger PrE; Spell Focus is required to select (and twist) Enchantment Specialist (Magister Epic Destiny, +3 DC);
    - my bards usually pick Empower Healing, so they can reliably heal;
    - Quicken: it helps with casting healing spells and CC in the heat of battle.

    Other feats you could consider for the remaining 3 slots (assuming pure human bard):
    - Spell Penetration and Greater Spell Penetration;
    - Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment;
    - Force of Personality;
    - if/when available: Past Life Wizard, Past Life Bard.

    As for epic feats:
    - if requirements are satisfied: Epic Spell Focus and Epic Spell Penetration.

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    4) Is spell pen an issue with Bards? If so then I will be TRing this toon eventually (3x Wizzie)
    Enchantment spells require Spell Penetration checks; however, if spells don't land, you can always use songs, which ignore Spell Penetration.

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    5) Outside of enchantments, what spells would an experienced TR expect me to be packing if I joined their group.
    Standard buff package: Haste, Rage, Greater Heroism, Freedom of Movement and such.
    Utility spells: e.g. Dimension Door

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    6) What about undead? Do I have to take necro focus as well or do Bards have something special for this?
    Music of the Dead

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    7) Any other small tips and tricks of the trade would be helpful
    For this build, you will want the capstone, Musical Prodigy: +2 CHA, longer songs, +2 to DC and Spell Penetration checks when casting Enchantment School spells.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ushurak View Post
    1) stat spread at lvl 1 and where to place them at lvl up.
    Max charisma, then put points in con and str.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ushurak View Post
    2) Feat choices to come in at lvl 7 and be as effective as possible at lvl 7 (I have a crafter so don't concentrate on gear)
    I'd probably use Past life wizard or spell focus enchantment, Maximize spell (for healing & Spellsinger pre-req), Extend spell (nice at level 7+ levels for haste mostly, swap out at later (~15-18) levels, caster bards cant afford to waste feats). If human you could add something depending on build choice, power attack if you want to do some damage, or perhaps spell pen because it will be needed later.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ushurak View Post
    3) What feats should I have at lvl 20?
    Spell focus and Greater spell focus (or wizard/bard past life instead of greater) enchantment, spell penetration, quicken, maximize, heighten, inspire greatness. I'd consider more or less mandatory because they all boost your primary focus as enchanter (and survival/flexibility in the case of maximize). The question is what your secondary focus will be, if healing you could consider empower healing as well (but in my experience this isn't needed, you can raid heal just fine with just maximize). Then dps is a consideration, bards can't deal any viable damage through spells so I'd strongly recommend some fighting feats, improved critical in particular since it often opens up for abilities that proc on crits.

    This should leave you one feat (two if human) if you have past lives you could spend one or both of them to boost enchantment dc, otherwise you could spend one or both of them to boost your spell penetration. Or if you could spend one of them on spell focus evocation just to open up the epic destiny focus (evocation spells such as Greater shout ignore spell penetration and is cast a lot (really a lot) faster than fascinate).

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    4) Is spell pen an issue with Bards? If so then I will be TRing this toon eventually (3x Wizzie)
    Not really, feats are but not spell penetration per se. Many don't concider it but bards actually have the second highest possible spell penetration in the game (two less than an elf wizard, but two more than any other wizard), the problem is fitting the feats for it since bards (and caster bards in particular) in ddo is severely feat starved.

    I wouldn't invest to heavily in spell pen, but instead utilize fascinate and Greater shout when needed for high spell resistance enemies.

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    5) Outside of enchantments, what spells would an experienced TR expect me to be packing if I joined their group.
    Some healing if in raids (most enchantment isn't all that usable in raids) otherwise mostly convenience spells such as haste, rage, dimension door & greater heroism.

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    6) What about undead? Do I have to take necro focus as well or do Bards have something special for this?
    As others have mentioned you can access Music of the dead which is great, the problem is that you (as a Spellsinger) has to spend 12 action points to get it (it requires full extra song line for 10ap) so it is more or less impossible to fit in a build, since most expect a bard to spend points to boost their songs. As a caster bard you'll want cha 3 and spell pen 3 enhancements for a massive 6ap each (or 12 total in each line) which melee bards can ignore.

    Instead I recommend always having a stack of Halt undead scrolls, works even at epic levels on any mindless undead (most skeletons, zombies etc) since they don't get any save.

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    7) Any other small tips and tricks of the trade would be helpful
    For a caster bard I'd recommend using any of the cha to-hit/damage weapons. Moonhowls axe for low levels, Dynastic falcata or Elyds edge at epic.

    The hardest challenge in building a caster bard in ddo is in my opinion trying to get a workable dps and still fitting caster feats.


    Good luck and happy gaming
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