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    Default EE citw last night, need to vent (things keep anon)

    Man was that a rough go. I popped in as the group was starting opt 1. Took another 3 or 4 hours. stressful.

    Finally get end fight done on 4th try. Get to the chests and a b-sword drops in my name.

    Not planning to use a b-sword on my monk so i put it up for roll. b-sword using fighter/rogue in party drops his roll instantly, could tell he was hawking the sword. He had a crappy roll but seemed like the only one who wanted sword.

    Little late to roll a second person rolls on the sword. Now, after calling for the rolls I realize that this is THE item for this rogue toon and I wanted to make sure secondary person was going to fully utilize the item before I passed it to them. So I asked the second person if they where planning to actively use the sword or if it was just bank space flavor for them. People usually find their citw item long long long before the comm's to upgrade and use it, alot of times ive seen people put weapons for roll with nobody interested in them... So what happened was extremely odd to me. The second person (who won the roll) immediately griped that I was now wanting to pass the item to my friend (i dont know the b-sword rogue very well so that wasnt the case) after first offering up the item for roll. Which is not what I did, and not what I asked. But it was posed to me in such a way that they made it obvious I was doing some underhanded loot passing in their eyes.....BS, and ef you.

    I was trying to make sure i didn't screw a true b-sword user out of his dream weapon because someone else thought it looked kinda pretty and might use it some day. If the second person would have replied with anything hinting towards something like "Oh yes, absolutely. Would really love that item" or any flavor or color along those lines it would have been passed immediately....instead he immediately accused me of some underhanded loot practices (plus he never answered the question i posed to him) so the item went to the b-sword fighter/rogue.

    I put it up for roll instead of vendoring to help folks out that slogged through that hellish raid with me..not to tease people then just pass the item to my personal friend. Don't accuse me of that unless your sure of the situation. All they did was make me really mad, believe me they didn't teach me any life lessons about raid loot distribution.
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    I feel like people just roll on CITW loot because it is cool more than actual necessity. I see so many people roll on items when its obvious there is actually someone in the party that needs that item.

    If it drops for them, I don't care. Your loot is your loot. But if someone puts it up for roll and you want it so you can put on your dress and where it on the boat... Well lets just say I agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T_ward7a View Post
    ...Your loot is your loot. But if someone puts it up for roll and you want it so you can put on your dress and where it on the boat... Well lets just say I agree with you.
    Even suggesting "underhanded" in the world of "your loot is your loot" reflects some pretty crazy entitlement. Even if you did put up for roll then changed your mind before passing it you'd still be right in my opinion.

    (With the caveat that there was no pre-agreed arrangement wrt rolling which I don't expect there was.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by T_ward7a View Post
    I feel like people just roll on CITW loot because it is cool more than actual necessity. I see so many people roll on items when its obvious there is actually someone in the party that needs that item.

    If it drops for them, I don't care. Your loot is your loot. But if someone puts it up for roll and you want it so you can put on your dress and where it on the boat... Well lets just say I agree with you.
    I tend to agree with you here. I've decided I need to preface all my loot roles with "priority given to people that can convince me they will actually use the item this life" I'm not apposed to people rolling for stuff for next life but not when there is someone there who will pick it up and start using it immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krelar View Post
    I tend to agree with you here. I've decided I need to preface all my loot roles with "priority given to people that can convince me they will actually use the item this life" I'm not apposed to people rolling for stuff for next life but not when there is someone there who will pick it up and start using it immediately.
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    Addressing the raid itself rather than the minor loot drama...that was my first ever run of EE CitW...and it may well be my last. That was painful for no good reason....with things like Lolth essentially saying "you're dead" to a few players a lot, and the 4 hours of mental weardown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WruntJunior View Post
    Addressing the raid itself rather than the minor loot drama...that was my first ever run of EE CitW...and it may well be my last. That was painful for no good reason....with things like Lolth essentially saying "you're dead" to a few players a lot, and the 4 hours of mental weardown.
    It can be done much more smoothly but I do think it should give way more commendations on EE, if the items are what you want then EH is the way to go anyway.

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    You did the right thing, OP. Good job.

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    I've seen a similar situation in the same raid. Two people rolled on the staff, one was an arcane, the other was a melee. Guess which one won the roll? When the melee was asked if he was going to use it next life, he didn't respond. When the staff got passed to the arcane, rage ensued.

    I sent tells to the melee afterward and eventually got him to see that if he is rolling on BtC gear he needs to be willing to justify why he is rolling if that gear is not meant for his class. He did say he was planning to TR into a caster and that he should have spoken up.

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    20/20 of course after the fact, but if you know the loot shoudl go to a certain class/player, I say just pass it to said player.

    No point putting it up for roll (with intentions of a roll giving equal chance to all that partake in said roll) if you are simply going to pass it.

    Result was good, but the process was bad. my 2cp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunker View Post
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    No point putting it up for roll (with intentions of a roll giving equal chance to all that partake in said roll) if you are simply going to pass it.

    Result was good, but the process was bad. my 2cp

    Just another fun day in the land of DDO.

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    That's what I prefer to do. I don't like calling for rolls, but will when knowing more than one person can use it...and only for the folks that can use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunker View Post
    20/20 of course after the fact, but if you know the loot shoudl go to a certain class/player, I say just pass it to said player.

    No point putting it up for roll (with intentions of a roll giving equal chance to all that partake in said roll) if you are simply going to pass it.

    Result was good, but the process was bad. my 2cp

    Just another fun day in the land of DDO.

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    I agree,if you put it up for roll then give it to person who won the roll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunker View Post
    20/20 of course after the fact, but if you know the loot shoudl go to a certain class/player, I say just pass it to said player.

    No point putting it up for roll (with intentions of a roll giving equal chance to all that partake in said roll) if you are simply going to pass it.

    Result was good, but the process was bad. my 2cp

    Just another fun day in the land of DDO.

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    Agreed..since i witnesed wat happened .. i can say that the process was wrong ..since u put it up for rool meant u gave each 1 same chance to roll for it ..no matter class ...being a rogue or watever dont matter ... cause it may be used later on on trs or watever ...but since it is indeed your loot u could say politely .. "sorry man i changed my mind will pass it to the ftr " there was no need to call names and lash out to the person that rolled for it imo .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowaras View Post
    Agreed..since i witnesed wat happened .. i can say that the process was wrong ..since u put it up for rool meant u gave each 1 same chance to roll for it ..no matter class ...being a rogue or watever dont matter ... cause it may be used later on on trs or watever ...but since it is indeed your loot u could say politely .. "sorry man i changed my mind will pass it to the ftr " there was no need to call names and lash out to the person that rolled for it imo .
    actually there was PLENTIFUL reasons to lash out. your guildy out of the blue accused me of being underhanded for asking him if he was going to use the bastard sword. He did not answer my very polite question he went on the attack immediately. remove your head from sand before you fight for your guildie
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyt View Post
    actually there was PLENTIFUL reasons to lash out. your guildy out of the blue accused me of being underhanded for asking him if he was going to use the bastard sword. He did not answer my very polite question he went on the attack immediately. remove your head from sand before you fight for your guildie
    my head is not in the sand m8 ..and i believe there is no need to fight for anyone ... he can do he is own fights ... but as every1 is entitled to an opinion (u know wat they say about em ) i posted mine ... with my loots i always ask in guild chat first and afterwards i ask for the proper classes in rest of the party to roll ..for example ...saying (artis roll in lob for the tovens part ) ...but since u asked for the party to roll in that certain raid it wasnt his fault that u changed your mind afterwards and wanted to pass it to another ...the process was wrong no matter if the intention was correct ... thats all im saying and im quite polite about it i think ..so no reason again to lash out on me ^^
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    when somebody defends a person that blatantly attacked me, that in turn feels like an attack on myself. Being on the outside looking in might not give you that feel, but when you line up behind someone who wouldnt just answer "yes I actually want to use this item" and instead went to "you put it u for roll now you pass, your dishonest and underhanded" THAT is very very wrong in my opinion.like i said, when the fighter/rogue immediately dropped his roll is the first time i realized that anyone in the party was actually after that sword, i politely asked the second roller if he could/would use the sword. You know why i did? because i dont think the second roller realized how much the first roller would use/want the sword since for most of us its a flavor item at best. Did i have any plans to just pass the item after the roll? absolutely not, but he reacted to my question like i passed it then laughed in his face..neither of which happened.

    AGAIN, all he had to say was yes, or any polite rendition of it and he would have a nice shiney blade in his inventory..instead as soon as i asked that VERY POLITELY PHRASED QUESTION, he attacked me.

    Do i think i could have been aware that there was a bastard sword user in raid and done the right thing and just passed it before putting up a roll? absolutely, but I think I tried to fix my oversight as best I could and got attacked immediately for doing so. And that is not on me sir, i was being positive and giving out gear and then was attacked...that is when i snapped.
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    amen, shadowaras. agreed 100%
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyt View Post
    actually there was PLENTIFUL reasons to lash out. your guildy out of the blue accused me of being underhanded for asking him if he was going to use the bastard sword. He did not answer my very polite question he went on the attack immediately. remove your head from sand before you fight for your guildie
    Next time if you have a question about the person rolling on the item and if they will be using it, have them link some of the Bastard Swords they carry.

    I mean, if they are a Bastard Sword user, they should have some in inventory, right?


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    That was a painful run. Was my first as well. To be honest nobody every gave a full pot count that I could recall. I think besides how long it took and how many things didn't go as planned, I think it went ok on the resource usage for having so many first timers. I sure was getting tired at the end though.

    As for the bastard sword. I'm glad it went to the guy who could use it. The other guy who rolled if I recall, was talking about how he wanted to just collect the stuff which means he prolly wouldn't be using it anytime soon or ever. I might be wrong on that but either way need before greed is the way it should be.
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