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    Default Modern Rogue Build?

    And by Modern I mean "set up for the time of this posting"

    Assume untwinked and unfunded.

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    Sumpody Aioozdano
    Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
    (20 Rogue) 
    Hit Points: 222
    Spell Points: 0 
    BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
    Fortitude: 8
    Reflex: 18
    Will: 5
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             14                    14
    Dexterity            16                    22
    Constitution         14                    14
    Intelligence         16                    22
    Wisdom                8                     8
    Charisma              8                     8
    
    Tomes Used
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               7                    30
    Bluff                 3                    29
    Concentration         2                     3
    Diplomacy             3                    23
    Disable Device        7                    30
    Haggle                3                    23
    Heal                 -1                     0
    Hide                  7                    38
    Intimidate           -1                     0
    Jump                  4                    16
    Listen               -1                     0
    Move Silently         7                    38
    Open Lock             7                    30
    Perform              n/a                    n/a
    Repair                3                     7
    Search                7                    30
    Spot                  3                    23
    Swim                  2                     3
    Tumble                5                    22
    Use Magic Device      3                    26
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+4)
    Skill: Bluff (+4)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
    Skill: Disable Device (+4)
    Skill: Haggle (+4)
    Skill: Hide (+4)
    Skill: Jump (+2)
    Skill: Move Silently (+4)
    Skill: Open Lock (+4)
    Skill: Search (+4)
    Skill: Spot (+4)
    Skill: Tumble (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
    Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
    Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 2 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Bluff (+1)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Haggle (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 3 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Bluff (+1)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Haggle (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Precision
    
    
    Level 4 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: DEX
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Bluff (+1)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Haggle (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 5 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Bluff (+1)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Haggle (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 6 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Bluff (+1)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Haggle (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse
    
    
    Level 7 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Bluff (+1)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Haggle (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 8 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: DEX
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Bluff (+1)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Haggle (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 9 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Bluff (+1)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Haggle (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 10 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Bluff (+1)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Haggle (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
    
    
    Level 11 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Bluff (+1)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Haggle (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 12 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: INT
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Bluff (+1)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Haggle (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
    
    
    Level 13 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Bluff (+1)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Haggle (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
    
    
    Level 14 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Bluff (+1)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Haggle (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 15 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Bluff (+1)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Haggle (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 16 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: INT
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Bluff (+1)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Haggle (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery
    
    
    Level 17 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Bluff (+1)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Haggle (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 18 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Bluff (+1)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Haggle (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
    
    
    Level 19 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Bluff (+1)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Haggle (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
    
    
    Level 20 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: INT
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Bluff (+1)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Haggle (+1)
    Skill: Hide (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
    Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
    Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
    Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
    Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
    Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
    Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
    Enhancement: Human Adaptability Intelligence I
    Enhancement: Human Versatility I
    Enhancement: Human Versatility II
    Enhancement: Human Versatility III
    Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
    Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
    Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
    Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
    Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
    Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
    Enhancement: Improved Hide I
    Enhancement: Improved Hide II
    Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
    Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II
    Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
    Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I
    Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery II
    Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery III
    Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery IV
    21: Improved Sneak Attack
    24: ???

    I was trying to aim for a fairly standard Rogue build, albeit one that ended up being Dex-based because of ISA

    I went with Precision over Power Attack because, well... I remember the logic behind taking Power Attack in the first place. To help with mobs that you can't sneak attack against. Precision (on top of other things) almost fixes that entirely.

    Now, granted, there's still enemies that are absolutely resistant to sneak attacks to contend with, and that's kind of a pain.

    I took weapon finesse, not because I think the build needed it, but rather... I couldn't think of what else to take. Dodge? Eh, don't really see that much need for it. I'm open to alternatives with feat selection in that regard.

    I aimed for DEX first over INT because, well... look at how many skill points I have already. I don't really need anymore. Hell, by the time I actually hit an even number with INT, I start dumping points into a skill that didn't really need anymore (but which could still be handy to have unbuffed)

    Truth be told, though, I actually thought about dropping stealth. The only thing that made me keep it is that there are some missions where it helps. Some.

    Also, I gave up human healing amp for wand/scroll boosting. As for HP, I'll have to get the rest of it from gear. I could have dropped STR to 10 and brought CON up to 16, but for 1 more HP per level, it didn't seem worth it -- and I still wouldn't have been able to get Epic Toughness even with it that high. Unless I got a +5 tome or something. Does that even happen to people who prefer not to spend money on the Turbine store unless they have to?

    So, advice? Criticism? Insults?

    EDIT: I forgot to mention --

    If I can only get a +2 dex tome and not a +3 dex tome, then I'll put the lvl 20 point into dex instead of int.
    Last edited by Zachski; 01-01-2013 at 09:34 PM.
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