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    Default help me decide on the last lvl.

    i got this tempest ranger i play as my main, he is currently 18 ranger tempest 3 with 1 fighter i had originaly planned 18/2 split he is str based self healing specialist. im running empower healing on him instead of maximize atm with gear and enchantments im looking at 180-260 heals non crits and i only have a modest 430 hp unbuffed ( without any guild gear or gs hp item )

    but the thing is while 2 fighter gets me fighter str 1 i cant help but to think that maybe barb 1 (18/1/1) might be a better choice since id get a lousy rage(18 base con) that still counts as 2 str iirc and a tiny bit more hp, its a first lifer and im planning on running epics with him maybe not EE or anything that grand but enough to grind out some more gear for him and get my 20 shroud completions (at 2 atm XD) so il be playing him for quite a while before i tr him

    i do love the human dmg boost paired with fighter haste and my jorgundals collar, im not sure if i can use those abilities while raged but im hopeing to get some clarity on that here, and i only have 5 haste's and dmg boosts so the rage might come in handy in longer dungeons without many shrines

    ive been trying to find that splash thread by searching the forums but i havent found it yet. anyone know where it is ? that thread that describes all the lvl 1-2 benefits for each class.

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    If you're just after the barb rage grab some rage potions, though i imagine most barbs have the rage spell memorized anyway.

    You can check the compendium up top for what is offered at barb lvl 1 as far as free feats or enhances and compare that to fighter lvl 2.

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    thanks that helped alot. the compendium have changed alot since i last checked on it =)

    you wouldt happen to know if i can use action boosts while raged?

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    I believe so, though it has been a while since i played a barb. They do have some of their own action boosts, so if you can't use it most likely bugged.

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    A human rgr 18 / ftr 2 will get 12 feats (7 base + 1 human + 2 ftr + 2 epic). Since self-healing seems to be a priority, I would take: the 4 Tempest pre-reqs, Toughness, Imp Crit, Power Atk/Cleave/GC/Overwhelming Crit, Quik+Max. [Emp Heal may be enough for lvl 19, but by lvl 25 you're gonna want more oomph.] To me that extra feat is more useful than +10% run speed and a single Rage from barb splash.
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    yea you are right . i will got 2 fighter but i was toying with the idea that barb might offer more power.

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    I'm pretty sure Overwhelming Crit will add more DPS than a barb splash will; but the feat cost makes it tough to squeeze into a Tempest III build on top of the Tempest pre-reqs. Then to want strong self-heals as well...good thing you're a human w/2 ftr lvls to help out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokeri View Post
    yea you are right . i will got 2 fighter but i was toying with the idea that barb might offer more power.
    Fighter give you one feat. Feats are good. You want feats. If you don't want a feat on the Fighter Bonus Feat list, think about a level of Monk or Wizard. They both also provides a free feat, but you lose 1 point of BAB (you will still get the full BAB speed at level 21). Wizard is useful because you can us it to get a metamagic you might be lacking (Maximize or Quicken). Monk is mostly useful at this level for an extra Toughness.

    Barbarian 1 will give you a bonus to movement, and a pitiful rage (+4 str/con, that leave you fatigued at the end). You dont have enough rages to be permaraged like high level barbarians, and while raged you can't use spells (this means: No self-healing besides potions).

    The main advantage many people use on the splash barbarian level is sprint boost (that helps a lot while leveling), but rangers already have sprint boost. So, you are not getting it.

    IMO, taking barbarian now is worse than taking Fighter/Monk/Wizard. And don't think about ranger 19. You get nothing out of the 19th level besides more spell slots (not that you are in a pinch to choose your spells).
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    capped him out today and took cleave, i cant say im likeing the cleaveing action as twf but i will like the OC once i have it but first il need a 3+ str tome and i should be all set, that shouldt be to hard to get hopefully without spending TP's =) not sure if i got room for quicken. i do have kopeshes and im guessing theres is only 2 feats after lvl 20 ? i will switch out my empower healing feat for maximize when i see the need to do so atm EH works pretty well with my measly hp but i guess that will change as i get more epic lvls

    the cleave animation seems way to long with twf. i love the cleave action on my kensai II berzerker I but it just doesnt seem right on a twf seems to long, atm im just useing it to grab trash mobs attention.

    i really cant see any other valid route to take featwise on a tempest III then going for OC. the only other path i could think of that would suit a tempest would be epic thoughness and combat archery and IC:ranged as the lvl 20 feat and that does not seem appealing at all.. compared to OC even though i atm consider cleave and great cleave trash-collectors on a twf. im just not sure on how to use it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokeri View Post
    i do have kopeshes and im guessing theres is only 2 feats after lvl 20 ?
    Correct (lvls 21 & 24), so something will have to give.
    i will switch out my empower healing feat for maximize when i see the need to do so atm EH works pretty well with my measly hp but i guess that will change as i get more epic lvls
    The issue here is CSW caps out at caster lvl 15 - i.e., it won't get any more powerful - even as your HPs continue to go up; and you've presumably maxed out rgr Devotion & human heal amp already; so you have to find other ways of boosting CSWs. Better Devotion items are one option, of course, as is more heal amp gear; but swapping Emp Heal for Max is probably the single biggest boost you can get (albeit with a higher SP cost ofc). You'll also want to invest in SP-regen-on-hit gear - i.e., Raiyum Torc, GS Con Opp item - if you haven't already.
    the cleave animation seems way to long with twf. i love the cleave action on my kensai II berzerker I but it just doesnt seem right on a twf seems to long, atm im just useing it to grab trash mobs attention.
    Yeah, about the only good thing about having Cleave/GC (apart from access to OC) on a Tempest III is the 5% doublestrike applies to Cleave atks, IIRC.
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