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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkForte View Post
    For the people saying it's not a nerf...

    If you don't care about maxing your crappy destinies for EE play, either because you like being carried through on ee for being in a non-synergistic destiny or because you only play EH, and you don't farm rusted blades, stay on your own corner, for this discussion does not concern you. It's really easy to call something not a nerf when it doesn't affect you, and when it's not you who will have to compensate by running more of it.

    Sure, we still have impossible demands and death undone. If everyone moves to those, how long will it take for devs to decide to nerf those too? Then we'll be running fathom, why not nerf that too? Will it be 'not a nerf' then as well when there's no viable way to amass destiny XP on higher xp/min?

    It's less than 2k XP a run.... So what...

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    Quote Originally Posted by smatt View Post
    It's less than 2k XP a run.... So what...
    That's what it was on Lammania, but not necessarily what it will be on live. We'll see. Hopefully someone will post the final total once available. It would be pretty sucky if all our posts saying "Only 11%? Psshhp." inspired them to put down the scalpel and pick up the machete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smatt View Post
    It's less than 2k XP a run.... So what...
    Mk. Since 10% is an irrelevant amount for all purposes, you should give me 10% of your money. I'm accepting wire transfer or paypal.
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    Nerf smerf, much ado about nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ape_Man View Post
    Nerf smerf, much ado about nothing.
    Sadly Death undone got the bigger nerf
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeLoric View Post
    Sadly Death undone got the bigger nerf
    What's the Death Undone nerf? That was undocumented, wasn't it?
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    No, it was documented, they fixed dungeon alert and some stuff whit the cauldrons there. Not really a nerf tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antiguo View Post
    No, it was documented, they fixed dungeon alert and some stuff whit the cauldrons there. Not really a nerf tho.
    They also mentioned that security is tightened - my sorc with +37 knock (in shadowdancer) can't get it on a 20 - standing in front of the door now .. will come back in a good destiny and try it again (+43 in fate singer)

    The physics and causation thing with the cauldron means that when you blow up the cauldron, the chest gets knocked over and destroyed - so either kill the kitties first for the chest, or skip it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by arminius View Post
    What's the Death Undone nerf? That was undocumented, wasn't it?
    Some extra doors added that require you kill mobs for them to unlock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkForte View Post
    Mk. Since 10% is an irrelevant amount for all purposes, you should give me 10% of your money. I'm accepting wire transfer or paypal.
    My point is not that it's irrelevant. It's that you can still farm this quest all you like. Who said you can no longer farm this quest? It's still a ridiculously high xp/min with no repeat penalty. Be thankful they didn't 'fix' repeat penalties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeLoric View Post
    Some extra doors added that require you kill mobs for them to unlock.
    Is this real? What doors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tid12 View Post
    Is this real? What doors?
    The door into the library and one up near the boss room from the quick side have doors that require you kill nearby mobs. There's also a new door right at the opening to the boss room that requires extremely high open lock (unknockable I believe).

    Unsure about other areas of quest as never go there.
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    Double post.
    Last edited by DarkForte; 12-12-2012 at 12:34 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BOgre View Post
    My point is not that it's irrelevant. It's that you can still farm this quest all you like. Who said you can no longer farm this quest? It's still a ridiculously high xp/min with no repeat penalty. Be thankful they didn't 'fix' repeat penalties.
    Then why nerf it at all? Arbitrarily increasing the time I'd have to run it by 11% in that case is just stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeLoric View Post
    The door into the library and one up near the boss room from the quick side have doors that require you kill nearby mobs. There's also a new door right at the opening to the boss room that requires extremely high open lock (unknockable I believe).

    Unsure about other areas of quest as never go there.
    That's so so lame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tid12 View Post
    That's so so lame.
    /sigh

    No moar stealthing stones, I guess.

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    Weeeeeell ... what happens is, quest designers try to "slow teh zerg!"; a lot of these measures hit stealth players. "Kill x to open door" is a prime example.

    FF could probably speak volumes on the issue (just remind him of Monastery of the Scorpion and the decision to add doors).
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeLoric View Post
    The door into the library and one up near the boss room from the quick side have doors that require you kill nearby mobs. There's also a new door right at the opening to the boss room that requires extremely high open lock (unknockable I believe).

    Unsure about other areas of quest as never go there.
    I cleared the entire map this morning looking for a key to that door. It was still locked after killing the guards around it, as well as after going around the long way and killing the matron, but didn't think to check it after clearing any of the other areas.

    I went back in with my sorc as a FateSinger (+44 Transmutation DC) and failed to knock it on a 20. I suppose if you were a transmutation archmage, you might be able to get it..
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    People are reporting failed 70 rolls, you will need a trapper.

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    The great irony here is that the devs tried to ruin the "fast exp runs" but I bet people will STILL do Rusted Blades runs because they are fast and they are pikeable. It'll just take twice as many now. So, yeah... thanks for making an unnecessary change that wastes everybody's time.

    They also succeeded in making Death Undone a huge pain in the ass on Epic Elite.
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