Oh ya and then this...
His new revised lfm at the bottom.
Guy needs to get a life.
Oh ya and then this...
His new revised lfm at the bottom.
Guy needs to get a life.
Wow, if the party leader had a problem with a toon that was under 444 hp for an abbot he has serious problems. It is a level 17 raid and I personally usually let people in from lvl 16-25 sometimes people who have under 400 hp. I could understand the amount of hp being low for high level raids but surely not for an abbot.
I was in that party like in hundreds other abbot parties before that. I hosted my own Ascension Chamber raids and was facing same problem with first timers many times, had tons of hate tells toward me sent for not accepting or declining or dismissing ppl from my party and believe me your husband was treated very kindly (quote: "ok, nothing personal, but you'r not meeting requirements"), while you on other side decided to insult the leader (quote:"you sir are an idiot") and now whine on forums about it. First you should mention that it was hard difficulty run, second it is always a decision of the person who hosts the raid whom he chooses to run with and you can't complain that he decides that someone does not fit for his choice of party setup. If you want a party setup you imagine you fit well in or your husband, you can always host your own raid group, which as you already know is not that easy. Third and most important, as I mentioned before, Abbot has its own rules, it requires minimum 6-7 people in the raid who know already what to do and each of them has their important role, if not said, crucial role. One person fails and the raid has to be repeated. So first timer, under-geared without pale lavender stone and hp less then allowing to survive inferno (no matter that nowadays just hp is not enough to survive inferno anyway) means a "wasted spot" in a party which could be occupied by a person who put a lot of effort to prepare for this raid, and i mean A LOT or at least can contribute to the completion. From my own experience I tell you that the most difficult situation for a person who runs this difficult raid for nearly hundred times and can't loot his Litany is facing the "nub" first timer, who didn't go to the right door and dies first thing when inferno procs, and gets a Litany on first run, or even better, who loots Staff of Petitioner on barbarian. I know that now I will be probably flamed here by everybody that this its selfish approach and we should share share share, but... go try it on norm first, spend hours on training this raid, make a forum thread ... erm ... yea, like for example this one, gather ppl, ask around, work on your reputation on server and you'll get there. Most of us with beloved Quiver of Alacrity started just like you.
One important thing, you do not really wanna become hostile with few of those who could show you how to run this raid by insulting them on forums.
hmm I take back my "donkey" comment. I should have waited to hear the other side of the story.
Ridero is right; you should probably try not to alienate those who are leading the raid you want to learn. Abbot is "special"- a very unique raid that takes alot of organization and not many can or want to lead successfully.
tankerschnitzl you are in the wrong here. you put forth the first hostile action toward the party leader. party leaders are allowed to have expectations whether hard (hit points or whatever) or soft, and you cannot tell him or her whether someone else meets those expectations. that is the party leader's call. since this is such a rarely-run raid it would pay to get on the good side of those people who are willing to teach it to you. otherwise, good luck trying it on your own.
It's a level 17 quest and we were level 22. People who base their judgments of a character play ability solely on HP are, in fact, idiots. say one takes a damage reduction enhancement multiple tiers, instead of the one extra toughness to push him to 500.
As for the pale lavender, he was the only one asked if he had it. Didn't ask anyone else in the group, just the person with the lowest HP. And instead of saying it for the whole party to hear, it would be more polite to send it privately in a tell.
For one to assume that based on the "low" hp, we are selfish individuals that won't pass on an item that we don't need is wrong. I am not "whining" about anything. It's upsetting that there are loads of assumptions put on a player based on one small aspect of the game : HP. That's BS.
Yea I called him an idiot, because he was being one. And he went on a tissy fit and continued to harass me with tells after I left the party calling me a nub, and telling me how useless I am, and then proceeding to post it on the LFM. That is childish, and sad.
Call it what you want, however I am here to have fun, not to have people with their internet egos so swollen up that they make others not have a good time.
This is a game.
For me it's about having fun, for others that take it so seriously, I would prefer not to quest with them in the first place.
Last edited by tankerschnitzl; 12-01-2012 at 10:47 PM.
This isn't a who is right who is wrong thread. You can sit there and tell me I am wrong all you want. If it's such a big deal Ill remove the previous posts no problem.
Last edited by tankerschnitzl; 12-01-2012 at 10:55 PM.
You must understand as well though that an Abbot raid is very stressful to people who just want their completions. This is a raid that can fail 10-15 times for stupid things. Many of the people who lead these raids feel high stress when trying to put a group together.
Now, there are multiple different types of people on Argo as well and for the most part I can safely say that we are one of the most stuck up and snobby servers in this game There are a lot of... well.. not so bad anymore but there used to be a lot of stuck up snob elitists in this game where if you had low hp or didn't know what you were doing, or had a momentary lapse or lag you were kicked from the group without explination.
People do not have the patience to teach new people all of the time or to put up with them, they just want to get things done and have a sense of accomplishment when they play.
Now.. all of that aside... number one worst thing you can do is go around and complain about a bad attempt at getting into a run on the forums :S Remember there are people willing to help you but there are also people who are not.
Many of these people talking to you in this forum particular are tr's and completionists and have spent mmehh.. maybe an extra year in argo more then I have... or at the very least paid more attention to lvling and raids and all of that hoo haa.. take their advice I assure you. And for the most part they will help you, but dont go saying on how people act high and mighty or your upsetness at this whole shin-dig that happened. Let's start a blank slate here and start over so that we can all help each other.
Emmile Varsalle - Rogue, Allivue Varsalle - Arcane, Devonette Varsalle - Divine, Merulei Varsalle - Melee
Ok, I didn't rly wanna make this post because it goes against my principle of trolling Breaking Bad, but...
Take a step a back, and look at who is really being high and mighty. Abbot is one of the more difficult, certainly the MOST difficult pre-expansion, raid in the game, and for fairly good reasons, as many of the loot in there are amongst the best items in their respective slots. To the posters in here who think its too hard, I'm afraid that you are simply just being too entitled. No, just because its a lv17 raid doesn't mean you automatically have the rights and privileges to walk through it and get good loot.
Taking a look at the screenshot, nowhere in it did you, or your husband, inform the party that you are unfamilar with the raid. This is the kind of raid where 1 person's mistake can potentially wipe it, so not informing the party of your unfamilarity is very, very bad in general. His assessment of "waste of space" is wrong, because it is overly generous. I've seen players who hide their unfamilarity wipe this raid repeatedly, and this is a time-consuming raid. Someone who wastes the rest of party's time over and over again is definitely worse than "waste of space".
HP issues aside, what I can see of the conversation show that you and your husband are very much unprepared for the raid. It's not that I haven't run 500-ish hp toons through that raid, I have, and I have completed the raid on pre-expansion elites with the said toon. But preparation makes all the difference. Sure I have 500hp, but I go in there with pale lavender, fireshield clickies and 33% fire absorb trinkets. His first question asked, basically, are you prepared for the raid, and the answer that was given is basically a "no". He wasn't kidding about the new inferno damage by the way, I ran the raid with a 700hp toon earlier, albeit without any of the previous preparations, and I was near instantly killed when the abbot did inferno. So if my 700hp toon was fried so quickly, what do you think will happen to your 444hp toon? Oh by the way, 444hp as a lv22 is pretty low by normal standards, so no his standards aren't high at all.
So all in all, are you really expecting to be accepted into a raid unprepared, inexperienced and without a standard amount of hp? I've mentioned in the other thread about the new generation of players being entitled, and this is exactly what I am talking about. Don't go in there expecting to be accepted and expecting to get carried through the raid and loot, go in there expecting to pull off more than your fair share and be a real asset to the group.
There are plenty, in fact, way too much information over the forums and on the internet, hell, even youtube, about the abbot raid, how to prepare for it, and demonstrations of the three puzzles. On my first toon to run this raid, I did just that, and spent quite a small fortune (I did not have a lot of plat or anything else of value at the time) to get firestorm greaves and a shroud fire absorb item just so I can survive in it. I do not expect you to go to that length, but instead of making posts like what you have made, go and study up the raid with the resources available, and next time you see a lfm for the raid, tell the leader beforehand that you are new to it and show him that you've done what you can to prepare for it. If you show that you've put real efforts into learning and becoming an effective member of the raid, people will be willing take you in and teach you.
Hi. I was a vet, now I'm a noob. Anyway I MAY be playing for a short period of time and i MAY neglect all of the top end loot just to run low end raids (sadly that's what they are now.) and I will happily teach this raid to you. Stay tooned. Also what happens on Argo stays on (comment removed)
So yeah. I'm an "idoit" (still no clue what's that...) that doesn't know how to lead Abbots and the "hp-beaters-experience" requirements for Hard, but strangely I'm getting 100% success rate on that raid. Looks like I'm lucky kid, huh?
But, hey! Do not fear! Some of those "cool guys" were with me there (as always)! So ur almost right in that!
And as for that screenshot with a full dialog.
Tyvm for saving my time and posting that yourself: absolutely shows you have no clue whatcha going to run, whom u gonna meet and what u gonna try to survive.
I mean, hey! A married couple playing DDO and nerdraging and crying at forums after being politely (!!!) dismissed (not even kicked)? You guys for sure have a REAL real life.
Jeeeeeeez, I pray to god not to have a midlife crisis like that some day.
(as a side comment: how I wish Zod was forming that group - u guys must have commited double suicide cause of his rudeness, sarcasm and smarta$$ jokes then...)
Unfortunatelly not everyone managed to get your sarcasm so imma ftfy:
But it's fine, DJ, I know u don't like facts - they're no more than "opinions" for you.
That screenshot with you so awesome describing your "method" of establishing high fascinate DC by simply dragging a cursor to an icon several times until you see "DC: over9000!" there and then telling me smth like "It always works for me. So your testing in tavern /*that absolutely killed that theory ofc*/ is just your opinion. Imma keep teaching new bards." (only thing missing there was a phrase "But yet remember this. I. Am a godess. And you. Are all goind to die." but luckily Turbine fixed that) still improves my mood after a hard working day :3
And I thank you for that wo sarcasm!
Well, with just a tiny bit maybe.
But back to the thread. Cause hey, it's ssssssooooooooo kewl u know! \o/
I guess it's spacebar somehow broken and it should have been "And you sir are an i do it!". But still wondering what could that mean -_-
Come on, why is everyone so silent? Did I just say something incorrect? ~\O_o/~
(Zod doesn't count: he died jumping on an ice pad wo ff like a boss)
And yeah, 750+hp monk dies in less then a second. But at least he knows what's he doing and runs tiles with 99% success rate. Aside from the fact that he can actually run any puzzle but simly loves the hardest one.
That's the difference.
And fyi (as i've mentioned already tho): inferno is really deadly after patch - it doesn't have several ticks during 3-5 seconds (as it was before), instead now it has 5-6 ticks in 0.5 sec. Each tick is ~150-200 fire damage with fire res on.
w/o pale lavanders it just an instant death.
So with 444hp... "What chance do you have?"
(doooooooom, i gotta stop running citw raid 5-7 time per day)
1) watch youtube abbot videos
2) try any (!!!) puzzle in a tiny training group (3-4 men is enuf) several times until you start feeling confident in that puzzle, so u can at least tell "I can do roids/ice" to raidleader. /*ofc he won't believe you most probably and won't assign you there unless there is absolutely noone to assign there, but that will at least show that you know whatcha gonna face here in Abbot. And that's already something, believe me.*/
That, that, that and again that!!!!
That's pain! That's real pain!
(Oh nooooo!!! Voices! They're in my head! Stop in Ana, please, stop!)
Stop them! Stop them before they escape...
(O_O oh gawd!)
But srsly. Perfect advice. Pity it's given too late :'-(
Cause I'm an elitist jerk, forgot that?
As for those times I'm polite, teaching people to run raids/quests, giving instructions via chat and mic, thinking of others in a group, leading through Subterrane to raids, saving gimps' arses, giving advice on gear and stuff and so on.... it must be trolling. Cause i'm not even a native speaker afterall
(just in case... != means NOT EQUAL)
So with all respect (not much tho) I officially call you a lier here.
Ever considered the fact that I KNOW PERSONALLY everyone in the group (except those 2 weird artificers that just joined... and one of them is obviously a gimp... cause having 444hp at lvl 22... that's... well... emmm... that's gimp. 100%.) and I've ran with them like... AT LEAST dozens of abbots (hundreds with some - like Ridero for example) and I'm confident in them? m?
(I'll repeat that: "Join date: may 2012" really shows alot)
In other words. I just know that raid. And I know what are the requirements for it. They were written by my and other people's deaths and raidwipes.
As for private tells...
"(Guild: The guild's Message of the Day is:
(Dungeon Master): A roar of rage, the reek of rotting meat... trolls! There are trolls here!"
(fyi: officer, founder, first guildleader of Trolls Lair guild)
(thx again, 13, for an idea of the message of the day btw)
Everyone needs Quiver.
And by saying everyone i mean EVERYONE.
Also every blue bar needs Vile Blasphemy and won't give up a chance to loot Litany.
As Ridero said.
But the fact is that you don't read advice at all.
You keep caling me an idiot, you don't see the whole point of others' posts and you still think ur right. Makes sense.
SOULSTONES CANNOT CONTRIBUTE. SOULSTONES DO NOT DESERVE TO LOOT. SOULSTONES MUST NOT BE ACCEPTED. Remeber this once and for all.
Add this too.
Cause HP is the best DDO parameter that can prevent you from turning into a SOULSTONE. It's just that simple.
You don't know what's harassing, believe me ;-)
Calling you a nub, cause nub is a "Newbie". And you are a newbie. Prooflink is all that thread.
SOULSTONES ARE USELESS. (add this too)
Childish and sad here is that you don't learn a sh!t from that thread. My actions are simply trolling, making fun of noobs and preventing more useless 450hp gimps clicking my lfm.
(Hm.... Green clicked it. Oh, wait, he got declined, nevermind, false alarm)
I guess it's because I don't fail Abbots.
The reason is quite simple.
The less newbies we teach, the less of them keep playing at endgame. The less WE play endgame cause of lack of people. So the future of DDO's playerbase is lying on our shoulders.
But here's one thing.
I DON'T TEACH THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO STUDY.
I tell you what.
When I first entered Abbot with a raidgroup (pug, failed several times, then completion) I knew EVERYTHING of that raid despite it was my 1st time. Yeah, I didn't have pale lavander (it was REALLY rare those days and was one of the most expensive items in game. SoS scrolls were even cheaper iirc.), but I had hp, Ice Cloak (thou it was also by far not a cheap thingie) and Fire Greaves (yeah, I was lucky to pull it from eADQ2). Did I mention that I've been running eVoNs and eADQs 1 per 3 days by that moment? I mean that Abbot raid is HARDER then most epic raids!!! And some ppl keep telling me "Abbot is 17lvl raid, come on!". Yeah, yeah, keep dreaming.). And I also knew how to run Ice with wands and did that successfully. That's the spirit. While whining and calling other, by far more experienced, ppl idiots and being unable to listen and THINK (!)... well we all know what's this.
(... What's this?!)
(Lolth stop it! xD)
... Somewhere deep inside.
... Very very deep.
Thats weird... I can see Stun's post with all its pics (most of which was hilarious and yes, I am goddess and you should die! xD) but I didn't even realize there were screenshots in this thread.
I had to click "quote" and then copy & paste the image link into the browser to view them. There is just a blank space on the post where the image should be for me- no indication of a picture there. Weird... Any ideas on why this is?
Anyway on further review of the screenshots; I have to side with the abbot people- it may not have been what you wanted to hear but he was polite about it. Tankerschnitzl, you seem to be in the wrong here.
Tempers happen, and your best bet here to save face and reputation with the endgame crowd would probably be to apologize and listen to the advice offered here. Properly prep for the raid.
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