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    Hey all,

    Posting this to get a little bit of feedback as I get around to working on my fighter a little bit. I do want to preface this by saying while I am receptive to feedback, this is not my main character or my main alt, honestly it probably ranks around 4th or so on the list. I make that statement especially in regards to gear upgrades, tome upgrades, further tring, etc. Sure, something can be a long term-goal that I wind up getting mats for on other characters but I probably won't be actively seeking to replace much of my current gear set-up.

    Character goals, this is a 2nd life fighter (PL: Ftr) that was a 12 ftr/7 rog/1 monk. I liked the dps and trap skills but I wanted a stronger tank option. I lessered first into a 18 ftr/2 pal, and have previously lr'd again into its current form pure 20 ftr. I want this character to be a reliable tank possibly up to epic elite. Although I realize in saying that, that I would have to be flexable in my preface and would probably need some more refinement to achieve this goal. If it turns out that it would be too much for me at the moment, I will collect advice and if I ever return to the character in the future this will be a place I can look back for ideas.

    Avandros

    34 pt, TN, Human, 20 Ftr

    Stats

    Str: 16 (+6 lvl, +3 tome, +6 item, +1 excep, +2 insight, +4 enhance, +6 stance) 44
    Dex: 13 (+3 tome, +6 item) 22
    Con: 16 (+3 tome, +7 item, +1 excep, +2 insight, +1 enhance, +6 stance) 36
    Int: 10 (+3 tome) 13
    Wis: 10 (+2 tome) 12
    Cha: 13 (+3 tome, +6 item) 22

    HP

    *will try to show math later*

    unbuffed, in stance at level 21

    928

    AC

    *will try to show math later*

    unbuffed, in stance at level 21

    103

    Defense Chance 69%

    Dodge 0

    PRR

    *not gonna lie, I am still unsure how to calculate all of this, currently researching*

    unbuffed, in stance at level 21

    98

    Saves

    *will try to show math later*

    unbuffed, in stance at level 21

    Fort: 39

    Reflex: 26

    Will: 21

    Skills

    *again will show math later, unbuffed, in stance*

    Intim: 76 - 83 with one swap

    UMD: 24 - 29 with one swap, 31 with two swaps

    Feats

    Toughness (x2)
    Combat Expertise
    Power Attack
    Improved Sunder
    THF x3
    Sentinel Dragonmark x3
    Cleave
    Great Cleave
    Shield Mastery
    IC: Slash
    Stunning Blow
    PL: Fighter
    WF: Slash
    WS: Slash

    1 - Human Bonus
    7 - Heroic
    11- Fighter Bonus

    19 total

    E1) Bulwark of Defense
    E2) Overwhelming Crit

    Enhancements

    - Ftr armor boost III
    - Ftr haste boost III
    - Ftr Capstone
    - SD Pre III
    - Improved Sunder I
    - Human Con I
    - Human Str I
    - Imp Recovery II
    - Human Intim IV
    - Human Versitility III
    - Item Defense II
    - Racial Toughness III
    - Intim IV
    - Ftr Str III
    - Ftr Toughness IV

    Gear

    Head: E Chimera's Crown (+6 Cha, +6 Dex slotted)
    Neck: E Hyena Claw (+7 Con, Toughness, Intim +15)
    Trinket: Bloodstone / E Brawns Spirits (+20 Intim, +2 Good Luck slotted)
    Cloak: GS Min II, +45 HP
    Belt: Ravager
    Gloves: E Gloves of Claw / Spectrals (for GT or to break set) / 7 fingered (+5 UMD)
    Ring: Ravager, +1 excep str, +2 insight str
    Ring: Tod, +1 excep con, + 20% heal amp
    Boots: Hot swap
    Bracers: E Bracers of Claw, +2 insight Con
    Chest: E Calvary Plate, Sup False Life, +5 Resist, +7 slotted
    Goggles: Tharnes / GS Triple Air, +6 Cha Skills

    Main Weapon Sets

    - E Fang/Leviks Defender
    - EAGA

    I didn't include every clickie but main set-up and the couple swaps I do make often.

    As far as ED's go, I have many other projects that I wish to focus most of my attention on. So atm only planning to cap and twist in Brace for Impact.

    Well that's the bulk of it. Will try to flesh out the details and do the math later. But any and all feedback would be welcome.
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    I would suggest dropping bulwark of defense for improved shield mastery while will bump your doublestrike on your toon up to 18%.

    I assume you are using a Chimera's Fang since you went all sentinel marks. If you aren't then no biggie and drop those last 2 feats of the sentinel since all they are giving you is some more intim. Unless you are tanking EELOB, you don't really need them. And you can still get that with twists and a large guild slot on a shield.

    Make a flametouched air/air alchemical tower shield and it will boost your doublestrike by ANOTHER 6% as well as +10 stunning blow. If you make it to tier III I suggest water as almost nothing is immune to water (cept skellies big whoop) in the game and then you can take improved shield bash which will improve your own and increase AOE dps to pull aggro to you and off healers and casters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by giggiddy View Post
    I would suggest dropping bulwark of defense for improved shield mastery while will bump your doublestrike on your toon up to 18%.

    I assume you are using a Chimera's Fang since you went all sentinel marks. If you aren't then no biggie and drop those last 2 feats of the sentinel since all they are giving you is some more intim. Unless you are tanking EELOB, you don't really need them. And you can still get that with twists and a large guild slot on a shield.

    Make a flametouched air/air alchemical tower shield and it will boost your doublestrike by ANOTHER 6% as well as +10 stunning blow. If you make it to tier III I suggest water as almost nothing is immune to water (cept skellies big whoop) in the game and then you can take improved shield bash which will improve your own and increase AOE dps to pull aggro to you and off healers and casters.
    I thought about Imp Shield Mastery, although what do you think about dropping one of the two toughness feats for it instead? My saves are already meh, and I'm thinking perhaps 20~ hp isn't as valuable as +2 to all saves and +4 ac.

    I do use E Chimera Fang that's why I went full marks. But on topic of Intim, how much more could I lose and still be solid? I would love to have some more play in my enhancements.

    I could make a lob tower shield with some work, how do those fair against other name pulls or even random loot gen ones now? Is there anything else to keep an eye out for?

    Thank you for you feedback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braegan View Post
    I thought about Imp Shield Mastery, although what do you think about dropping one of the two toughness feats for it instead?
    Depends on when you took the 2nd Toughness, as ISM req's BAB 8.

    It's unfortunate you don't have any Dodge bonus; any chance you could squeeze it at least Dodge feat somewhere? That plus a Mobility item would get you 5% (and +2 MDB); in theory you could get it up to 15% w/gear, though not sure what the layout for that would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    Depends on when you took the 2nd Toughness, as ISM req's BAB 8.

    It's unfortunate you don't have any Dodge bonus; any chance you could squeeze it at least Dodge feat somewhere? That plus a Mobility item would get you 5% (and +2 MDB); in theory you could get it up to 15% w/gear, though not sure what the layout for that would be.
    Just checked, I am able to swap toughness for ISM (took 2nd toughness at lvl 12).

    I would like to improve my Dodge if I am able, but well you see my feats, what would be something to give up for it? It really is a sad day when a level 20 human fighter is feat starved.
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    With random gen shields the problem is you have to get really friggin lucky to get everything from the alchemical!
    Tier 3 alchemical flametouched air/air/water you get:
    +6 good dr breaker
    Shocking burst
    Lightning strike
    +10 stunning
    +2 dex that stacks with everything
    +4 heightened awareness
    6% doublestrike
    A red slot that you can put metallic edges in to break ALL dr
    An aoe cold burst effect on 20s

    All this on your offhand shield thus maintaining your defense. With improved shield bash your dps and threat will skyrocket.
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    I just updated my Sentinel Squire build; you can see I dropped WF/WS for Dodge + Mobility. Could drop the tactics feats instead, but I felt like added tactical edge was more fun than a little more DPS. And I still pick up CL/GC/OC, so it's not like I abandoned DPS or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    I just updated my Sentinel Squire build; you can see I dropped WF/WS for Dodge + Mobility. Could drop the tactics feats instead, but I felt like added tactical edge was more fun than a little more DPS. And I still pick up CL/GC/OC, so it's not like I abandoned DPS or anything.
    That's a pretty good call, I think I might do the same. Thanks!
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    Past life: Barb
    Past life: Fighter
    Bastard Sword Prof
    Shield mastery
    Improved Shield Master
    Dodge
    Power Attack
    Cleave
    Great Cleave
    Overwhelming Critical
    Two Handed Fighting
    Improved Two Handed Fighting
    Greater Two Handed Fighting
    Mobility
    Combat Expertise
    IC: Slash
    Toughnessx3
    Spring Attack
    Improved Shield bash


    Personally, thats the list of feats I'm going to use for a human 20 fighter. Obviously you'll want a tactical feat or 2, but this is mine. I may switch out something for a tactic myself, who knows. Right now I'm expecting 14% dodge, but the rest is totally up in the air because I do not want to figure it up.

    Go ahead and bash it. It's what I want for my setup, and fits my needs.

    I originally was gonna use the Fang myself, however I have recently aquired the Nightmare sword from CITW. I'll be honest, with the fact that I can get a clicky from US for +1000% hate gen, and this sword can (with the set) give me +15prr, I'm retiring my beloved teeth. It's just a win win for me
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