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Also if you wanna start restricting use of these items then DDO needs to get with the modern MMO and implement regeneration of SP and HP........there is like no other MMO in existence were you do not gradually recover these two things.....even LoTRO has it!
Scratt for president!!!!
Who knows, when ELOB first came out people were drinking pots like there were going out of style but once people got the strategy down it got to the point where is was doable with none. ELOB had incentive to be run and run repeatedly so you're encouraged to get more efficient, EE CiTW not so much as there really isn't any incentive to run it.
I guess I misunderstood what a spell cooldown timer was. I always thought it was a constraint that prevented blue bars from casting spells and spending SP constantly, enforcing a select interval of waiting appropriate to the power of the spell to ensure game balance. How silly of me.
I also misunderstood that loot I acquired in game, be it a Mysterious Bauble, Vile Blasphemy, Ring of Spell Storing, Twisted Talisman, or stack of mnemonic pots were mine to use strategically as I wished as I gamed without having to answer to anyone. How ridiculous of me.
As for the store pots purchased with TP, I also misunderstood. I thought that, even though Turbine has introduced many "pay to win" features over the years, they had a right as a company to make revenues. Profitable revenues, even. I didn't understand that people who chose to spend their income "to win" DDO had anything to do with my personal game play choices. How short sighted of me.
Now that I understand that it's up to me to determine how everyone else uses their SP options and what level of difficulty they play at, I will be much more diligent in the future and stop minding my own business.
/signed to OP about mana pots
but as much as I love this idea, it is never going to happen as it will simply mean less mana pot sales for turbine.
"Focus on Adventure Not Grind"
If hard is harder to do without using pots and elite is very hard to do without using pots then that seems working as intended.
As you so astutely pointed out, this game is based on D&D, but it's really an MMORPG and doesn't need to follow the rules of Dungeons and Dragons too closely.
This contradictory logic (stating that DDO should stray further from P&P and then saying it should stay closer to P&P) makes it seem that perhaps this is just another "nerf the classes that aren't the ones I love playing" thread, but I prefer to think that it's just plain trolling. Please send your rebuttal to the first part of this post to MadMatt70.
i dont see any logic about this. why add timer to mana pots? imagibe EE quests/raids with that. or even HE, like LoB or MA etc.. they can change other things to do game harder. and pot cooldown is surelly not 1 of those imo. but when something gets nerfed, we all go mad on devs, arent we? the way u use your SP its not affected by you, but from the whole party most times, so u might cannot control the use of your SP. havin a timer on pots will be even more frustrating. also, ppl will stop buying pots from store, for sure, n that will be a hard hit for turbine. the only good thing will be that pots AH price will be way lesser than the current!
Edit: also, this game is FULL of things that r NOT in DnD... so i dont see your point there
But lets recap a little, a healer doesn't PUG because of this "pressure" to chug nem pots. They don't PUG because they get blamed when folks die, or a party wipe occurs. Or worse vilified as a bad healer. Funny, how nobody blames the tank, arcane, rogue or whatever for the wipe. It is the cleric that failed to keep everybody up.
My argument makes no sense in the haste pot example because it is exactly the same as your argument that casters who do not complete a quest without a nem pot or a few. A melee can get stacks of haste pots and be effectively on PERMA-haste 100% of the time while fighting. Many so-called uber players cannot play their melee's without a haste pot/spell going. All these melee running around with max DPS potential all the time is ruining those other poor melee's who can/will not chug them. Their DPS is so soo much higher than the ones who are chugging down haste pots.
Lastly, nobody needs SP pots to zerg. I rarely use them, and almost never when soloing. I didn't say anybody did. I believe the argument being made was in the wiz king example that a caster COULD zerg it with SP pots and not use a single shrine. Not sure why pot chugging would make something zergable or not... I am sure a melee could zerg any quest without haste pots too...
I guess the point is why would SP pots be singled out as a culprit, but not haste pots, HP pots, or any other pot? The fact remains though, none are the culprit. People will ALWAYS go the path of least resistance. If you do not want to take the easy road, nobody is making you.
For the record, I don't take the easy road. I take great pride in trying to manage my resources effectively to ensure that I use as few pots (if any!) during a quest. Additionally, I also Permadeath regularly so any of the above options aren't allowed. Cannot buy pots from a vendor, broker or auction house. Definitely NO DDO store bought items, and you can ONLY use what you find as loot. You cannot even buy a +1 plain weapon, or +1 arrows, or +1 thieves tools, etc.
So I have a pretty decent idea of what it is like to get through a quest without any of the above pot-chugging. Even when I am not PDing, I still carry that mentality with me. I hate dying, and I hate wasting my pots! If I have to chug a nem pot or 2, I believe I could have done it better, and will try again to see if I can pull it off without needing those pots.
But that is me, and I certainly wouldn't want to force down someone else's throat my play-style. It is just plain silly.
I've got to say... I mean, I only have a 21/wiz thus far so I can't speak for other classes, but I've only ever drunk 1 mana pot on purpose. (A couple by misclicking though) But the one on purpose was at like level 3 or 4 at my first death (Irestone Inlet), and in town mind you, before I knew I could eat/drink at the tavern.
Its sad to me that for wizards at least many players are so unversitale and rely solely on a single function such as spells. You still have wands, scrolls, weapons, abilities, heaven forbid... tactics. Or even SP management.
I used to have the korthos set that restores your mana, now I have the twisted talisman... but I don't plan on using them each quest. They are more for emergencies in my mind.
Its gotten so bad that OTHER players go nuts if I don't use certain things. Not only should my game revolve around certain spells according to them, but they want to build their game around me. Demanding disco balls and rage/hastes like a little moon. C'mon man, cut that out.
Stop worrying about what Kobe's doing.
Work on YOUR jumpshot.
As for pots, I wouldn't limit them though. If thats what folks want to drop cash on, let them. It'd be funny though if they started putting asterisks next to quests you completed by 'juicin' pots or using DDO store items. That'd be drama.
Awesome Maddmatt first you want them to nerf epic hard, so they add a way to steer people towards EE now you dont want people to complete EE. Not signed. and your hillarious btw
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not signed and then tied with a chain to the "It's time to put stamina bars on melee" thread and tossed together screaming into the infernal pits of Shavarath.
If I want to chug pots then thats up to me.
How does it effect you if I chug pots and complete the quest and you dont chug pots and complete the quest. Not at all (assuming we are not in party together)
While potting is the only workaround for recovering the party after a lag spike kills half of them for no rhyme or reason, no. I'd rather have the option to save 12 people's real life time rerunning the preraid **** because of a factor entirely out of their control screwing them if the only cost is that same mechanic can be used by some strangers on the other side of the world get to "cheat" their way to a completion.
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