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    how about the rewards of getting 1750 favor?shall I get the tome upgrades?
    By the way,do you think it's obsolete for getting +2 tomes as 1750-favor rewards at this time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by redspecter23 View Post
    Level 23 quest
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    +1 Three Barrel Cove map item bonus
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    = 31

    You could drop the map bonus if you were in epic elite Caught in the Web or if there were a +3 global loot bonus which happened a short while back. The map bonus is not sustainable for farming purposes.
    I recall somewhere that max loot lvl is 30 on live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Book_O_Dragons View Post
    I recall somewhere that max loot lvl is 30 on live.
    That's entirely possible. It's not easy to test it without a global loot event in place. I would hope that the cap is removed by now, especially with the huge uproar back when they had the +3 loot bonus. People were practically screaming at Turbine that there were artificial caps in place and they just didn't believe it for the longest time. That bonus was completely wasted. They did get around to at least pushing the cap up, but where it is now, I couldn't say.

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    So from what I hear one of the quests in this pack is level 25.. That will be great for loot farmers. It sounds like that will be a new quest for them to farm for loot on EE. I was thinking the other day about the old POP Elite farmers for e.g... Good times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maddmatt70 View Post
    So from what I hear one of the quests in this pack is level 25.. That will be great for loot farmers. It sounds like that will be a new quest for them to farm for loot on EE. I was thinking the other day about the old POP Elite farmers for e.g... Good times.
    So in other words, a reason to buy the new pack?

    Can a dev explain how they expect us to achieve chest lvl 31? I want to know if we are expected to have every single loot buff active.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khellendros13 View Post
    So in other words, a reason to buy the new pack?

    Can a dev explain how they expect us to achieve chest lvl 31? I want to know if we are expected to have every single loot buff active.
    If you read the dev post. In Level 27 chests on the Update 16 on Lammania +4 tomes drop. Assuming that this same update 16 on lammania goes to live we will get a shot at the level 25 quest on epic elite without a loot gen and it having greater then a bonus chance. I just want to say I do not think that using a +2 loot gen on normal on that quest should give people a shot at a +4 tome or hard on level 24s. I want incentive to farm epic elite..
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    Quote Originally Posted by maddmatt70 View Post
    If you read the dev post. In Level 27 chests on the Update 16 on Lammania +4 tomes drop. Assuming that this same update 16 on lammania goes to live we will get a shot at the level 25 quest on epic elite without a loot gen and it having greater then a bonus chance. I just want to say I do not think that using a +2 loot gen on normal on that quest should give people a shot at a +4 tome or hard on level 24s. I want incentive to farm epic elite..
    The EE incentive is now a real possibility of +5s if I understand Feather of Sun's post correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maddmatt70 View Post
    So from what I hear one of the quests in this pack is level 25.. That will be great for loot farmers. It sounds like that will be a new quest for them to farm for loot on EE. I was thinking the other day about the old POP Elite farmers for e.g... Good times.
    Not the case. Turbine thought this one out carefully to make more $$$.

    All U16 quests and its explorer area are lvl24.

    = 26 on EE. Too low.

    So you can not get the best stuff without some form of loot boost now. Gives real incentive to get loot jewels, which while are available outside of the store (eberron shards) - are quite tough to get outside the store.

    Plus most players can't handle EE smoothly, so they will most likely do EH with a +2 jewel instead (which are more expensive).

    Other option is a chest blesser.. Hope I can find Tuney online heh.

    Good news is some of the new quests do have a reasonable amount of chests. And most are a joke on EE difficulty wise, so farming out the tomes shouldn't be too unreasonable if the droprates aren't unreasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shade View Post
    Good news is some of the new quests do have a reasonable amount of chests. And most are a joke on EE difficulty wise, so farming out the tomes shouldn't be too unreasonable if the droprates aren't unreasonable.
    Lame. I mean.... Yay easy farm mode!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shade View Post
    You imply that +4 tomes exist in loot tables, 27+. Thats incorrect as my extensive community built guide has proven.
    +3s drop in lvl23+, +4s do not exist in lootgen. I've even had Kookie specifly tell me "I'm generating loot level30" - he made thousands and thousands of items. Plenty of +3s showed up in his piles, +4s did not.

    So "when a +4 would drop" being that is currently 0%, that infers that +4 to +5s upgrade tomes also won't exist.
    But Shade I have had +4 tome unbound drop for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NancyD View Post
    But Shade I have had +4 tome unbound drop for me.
    What Shade means is: +4 tomes don't exist in loot tables. They are put specifically in certain chests of certain MotU quests by developers e.g. House of Rusted/death optional chests, End chest of DDTW etc etc like it is stated in his guide.

    HOWEVER, if you wanna farm The Druid's Cruse, LV25 quest on EE (or any other U15 quest, or VON3 or any other quest on EE) with a +2 Jewel, +2 loot event and a chest blesser, you will NEVER EVER find a +4 tome because they don't exist in loot tables AT THE MOMENT, on live. Not even if you farm them 20000 times per day without ransack for 200 years.

    Thou, if tomes +4 will be added in loot tables like Feather said, that will become possible and you are not required to farm only certain quests, like +3s now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shade View Post
    Not the case. Turbine thought this one out carefully to make more $$$.

    All U16 quests and its explorer area are lvl24.

    = 26 on EE. Too low.

    So you can not get the best stuff without some form of loot boost now. Gives real incentive to get loot jewels, which while are available outside of the store (eberron shards) - are quite tough to get outside the store.

    Plus most players can't handle EE smoothly, so they will most likely do EH with a +2 jewel instead (which are more expensive).

    Other option is a chest blesser.. Hope I can find Tuney online heh.

    Good news is some of the new quests do have a reasonable amount of chests. And most are a joke on EE difficulty wise, so farming out the tomes shouldn't be too unreasonable if the droprates aren't unreasonable.
    Bah Turbine. They are the fun killers them and their money. I know alot of guys use to really enjoy that type of play where they farm chests in a group. Back in the elite PoP days there were alot of players who enjoyed that hardcore chest loot style. Many of those players have left the game over the years because Turbine has not catered DDO to them. Sometimes you get instances where you think it might be coming back like some of the chest looting that was going on in update 13, but it is not the same level of widespread looting - not even close. Now Turbine wants to put a price tag on it and limit its appeal. Lousy...
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    More easy EE content?

    Ah, why would they give us tough stuff that rewards appropriately. Why would they...

    Although, on a rare positive note, I do like the upgrade tome idea.
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    Is there confirmation that multiple chest blessers don't work? That would kinda be a waste of 3 feats per extra character if so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowranger View Post
    how about the rewards of getting 1750 favor?shall I get the tome upgrades?
    By the way,do you think it's obsolete for getting +2 tomes as 1750-favor rewards at this time?
    It would be nice to have each of the tome upgrades there as choices, so have:

    1. +2 tomes (all)
    2. +2 - +3 tome upgrades (all)
    3. +3 - +4 tome upgrades (all)
    4. +4 - +5 tome upgrades (all)

    That would give a huge incentive to TR and get to 1750 favor again and again and again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Feather_of_Sun View Post
    The chance of tomes dropping is actually getting a significant increase.
    Currently on Live, every item generated in a chest has a 1 in 434 chance of being an ability score tome.
    In Update 16, those odds are increased to 1 in 333.
    The new Upgrade tomes will be a sizable percentage of all ability tome drops- for example, when a +4 tome would drop, it will instead have a 25% chance of being a +4 to +5 upgrade tome.

    Same goes for +3 tomes (which will drop in treasure chests of level 23-26): 25% of them will be a +3 to +4 upgrade tome.
    1/444 for a straight upgrade, and 1/1332 for an incremental, so if you push yourself, you get results quicker, but if not, you still end up close, without turning it into yet one more reason to do elite once, and sleepwalk through hard. Good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrkGrismer View Post
    It would be nice to have each of the tome upgrades there as choices, so have:

    1. +2 tomes (all)
    2. +2 - +3 tome upgrades (all)
    3. +3 - +4 tome upgrades (all)
    4. +4 - +5 tome upgrades (all)

    That would give a huge incentive to TR and get to 1750 favor again and again and again.
    Wouldn't be opposed to say, 2k = 2-3 incremental, 3k 3-4, 4k 4-5. The intent of course being further encouragement for folks to run everything.
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    I assume I am not the only one who sees that +5 tomes available from random loot (as upgrade tomes from level 27 chests) while being near impossible to pull in raids is yet another degradation of the game's incentive structure.

    This just means more farming of specific chests on EE and shelling out some TP for loot gems.

    That is the problem with important loot being found in trash chests. There will always be a chest easier to get then others and unless there are equally compelling reasons to run other content you just chain farm specific chests with all your toons every week.

    /mind numbing and boring
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    Well , looks like this is a good reason to start playing Tuney again. Been working on leveling up my poor poor Druid Etward. Now maybe they'd let me bless chests again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuney View Post
    Well , looks like this is a good reason to start playing Tuney again. Been working on leveling up my poor poor Druid Etward. Now maybe they'd let me bless chests again!
    Sounds like you are an experienced chest blesser. Can you give me any idea of what Charisma is needed to bless high end chests? I can't find a formula anywhere and I'm debating converting a Horc monk to a dedicated loot farmer/chest blesser. But I don't know if I can restructure him to be a successful high end chest blesser without gimping him as a horc monk.

    Any thoughts/guidance would be much appreciated.

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    I'm not sure what the CHA numbers are. Tuney is a Bard who invested into CHA. But I did have a friend who did take the marks on a CHA dumped fighter and almost never got his blessings to work. I would say for a 'decent' chance would be around 26 or so. I'm at 38 and almost never see a fail.

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