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    Default Borked Warforged vs The Secret World

    So, as I am typing this, I have a second screen up. It is the "Purchase Now" screen for the new MMO The Secret World.

    I have considered playing TSW since the previews before it went live. It is different, fresh and for about 75%, is unlike any other MMO I know of (no I haven't played every MMO).

    I loved DDO from the 1st day I logged on.
    I hated WF at first then after making a WF Sorc to prove how awefull they were, I fell in love and NEVER gave fleshlings a second look....until now.

    I PAYED for WF. I have invested alot of time into my WF main and my WF alts.
    Though I may not be leading the pack in teh monetary value that I have contributed to the game, I have put quite a bit into it, including dropping the 200$ bomb recently for TPs that I have almost 1/2 left still.

    I have considered playing other MMOs before this, but considering I can not justify spending money on more than 1 MMO, I just haven't done it.

    The current state of WF is appalling at best. If it wasn't for the Arcane classes, there would be zero reason for me to play WF or for DDO to even have them and even with that, they are only somewhat able to keep up and only if they are a Sorc...AM just doesn't cut it when stacked nest to a PM or Sorc.

    Turbine...you have officially SCREWED THE POOCH with your recent jackhammer style nerfs of the WF PREMIUM race.

    I am going to swap screens after I hit the submit button for this thread and I am going ot purchase the initial 30 day subscription for TSW. If I like it and if WF are not shown ALOT...ALOT...A WHOLE LOT of love in u16 (maybe even a roleback to their previously PREMIUM state), I will permanently make the switch to TSW and just consider my money I have spent on this game another lesson learned...that lesson being that once a company starts making bad decisions, it probably will keep making bad decisions.

    If I do not like TSW and Turbine does not do something to make WF a PREMIUM race again, I will hunt for another MMO and I will still not come back.

    To make sure of this, I will not only give all of my gear away, but I will sell all the BTC/BTA merchandise I have and convert it to PP and give it to a guildy then I will delete all of my toons.

    TURBINE, my fate and our future business relationship is in your hands now.

    I hope allt he rest that have felt the prickly little bork going up the WF bum will consider this as well...maybe a mass exodus is what Turbine needs to get their act straight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ushurak View Post
    TURBINE, my fate and our future business relationship is in your hands now.
    They don't care, bye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilindith View Post
    They don't care, bye.
    I'm starting to feel this way (by starting, I mean for a couple weeks now); but my hopes are that I am wrong.
    U16 will tell us everything we need to know.
    Maybe I will like TSW so much that I won't even give them a chance...but alas, I am not this way...usually.
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    Can I have your stuff?
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    Buy my stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ushurak View Post
    I'm starting to feel this way (by starting, I mean for a couple weeks now); but my hopes are that I am wrong.
    U16 will tell us everything we need to know.
    Maybe I will like TSW so much that I won't even give them a chance...but alas, I am not this way...usually.
    go on lammania, you can already see the items that will drop

    save yourself some wasted hope, and move on, or get used to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ushurak View Post
    but my hopes are that I am wrong.
    Spoiler Warning: You are not wrong.
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    The sad part about this is that with all the views and the few meager amount of replies, not one single person (including devs) has actually tried to DEFEND Turbine. Maybe this alone should be my biggest clue.
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    goodbye, Turbine doesn't care
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    So just looked up the new U16 loot and, with the exception of the Rogue specific items, it all looks like ****...and zero WF specific ****; but plenty of fleshling specific ****...but I will wait until U16 goes live...
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    1. None of Turbine employ will ever look upon this topic.

    2. Even if it somehow happen, nobody will care.

    Be sure to spread your stuff amoung poor.

    If some other game is better, go there. Pleanty of gamers jump from one tittle to another, never spending more than 50h in one. And they have damm good time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ushurak View Post
    The sad part about this is that with all the views and the few meager amount of replies, not one single person (including devs) has actually tried to DEFEND Turbine. Maybe this alone should be my biggest clue.
    The only reply you'll ever get from a Turbine employee to a thread like this is the usual pre-generated "Thank you for playing DDO, bye" reply.
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    To the OP -

    Once you realize no one cares, you can really just enjoy the game or move on. If you enjoy the game, please stay.

    When it reaches the point where you no longer enjoy the game, move on.

    I don't get why anyone cares about the changes to WF anyway.
    OMG!!! I'm posioned!!! what ever will I do .....

    After Half-Orc came out WF were just another race with crappy healing amp. I am hoping with the enhancement changes "comming soon" that WF are shown some love.

    But really it comes down to the fun you are having and the binary "friends" you meet along the way.

    Leave, Stay - no one at Turbine or WB pulling the strings cares.

    I'm sure some of the "devs" (community specialists, or others) who brave the fourms care about the state of the game, and player issues. They just can't do any thing about it.

    Good luck in whatever you choose to partake in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ushurak View Post
    So just looked up the new U16 loot and, with the exception of the Rogue specific items, it all looks like ****...and zero WF specific ****; but plenty of fleshling specific ****...but I will wait until U16 goes live...
    Quit dragging this out and just quit already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fejj View Post
    I don't get why anyone cares about the changes to WF anyway.
    OMG!!! I'm posioned!!! what ever will I do .....
    So you go buy a Mercedes. It has all the features you want and you drive nothing but Mercedes for a number of years and no matter what all of the Chevy, Dodge and Ford drivers say bad about Mercedes and your choice to drive a Mercedes, you still know that they all have Chevy,Dodge and Fords and you have..TA DA...a MERCEDES.

    One night though, the Auto union comes into your yard and takes everything out of your Mercedes that not only you have come to know and love, but what really sets it apart from the rest. They leave the Mercedes emblem ont he hood but what you have is now no better than the Fords, Chevys and Dodges on the road and in many regards is now worse...would you be upset? YES!

    Turbine stole my Mercedes and left me with a rusted hunk of ____________ (insert least favorite vehicle here).

    BTW - it is quite a bit more than the poison problem...that is the least of the problems yet it is a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ushurak View Post
    ALOT...ALOT...A WHOLE LOT of love
    Turbine, cue the Led Zepellin.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB_DOA2AL7Q

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    Quote Originally Posted by licho View Post
    Be sure to spread your stuff amoung poor.
    It's all going to my guildies...they have been too good to me to do anything else...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Therrias View Post
    Turbine, cue the Led Zepellin.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB_DOA2AL7Q
    +1 for the Zeppelin
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoobmx View Post
    goodbye, Turbine doesn't care
    if i had a nickle for everytime I canceled my vip account to premium because I thought a forum rant and some sort of stance on customer service and imposing a monetary penalty would lead to change...

    I'd have like 35 cents...

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    I'll try playing devil's advocate. Let's go over the WF nerfs to see just how bad it is:

    • Loss of WF magical poison & disease immunity - part of the general nerf to those immunities across the board; I think only pallies kept their magical disease immunity. However, since poisons & diseases are easily cured with pots, it's hard to consider them a big deal. WF still kept the rest of their immunities; I always found their immunity to paralysis / Hold spells and energy drain far more useful. I'm more upset to discover all the poison & disease immunity items I've amassed over the years have been reduced to saves bonuses, which AFAICT don't stack with Resistance bonuses.
    • The heal amp bug - this got patched in U15; WF are still behind the curve compared to the fleshie races (esp. human/HE), but WF have always been behind the curve. The real problem seems to be the "nerf" to healing due to the Spellpower changes, as well as the super-high HPs most people run around with in epics, which exacerbate this discrepancy.
    • The Reconstruct nerf - confirmed as a bug, due to be fixed Real Soon Now...maybe. Has anyone checked on Lami? [I suspect Turbine intended for WF tanks to be "tag-teamed" by a divine healer + arcane caster; what we really need is some "repair amp" gear for WF, though.]
    • The WF body feats don't provide the right amount of PRR; also Mithril Body's MDB doesn't scale the way the new light armors do. This one actually annoys me more than the immunities nerf; now that AC & PRR are important parts of DDO's defenses, it's unfortunate WF don't get their fair share. Hoping it's getting fixed in U16, but haven't checked Lami myself to see.

    Did I miss anything?

    So, of the nerfs, one is an across-the-board nerf which hit everyone, one has been patched (tho I guess not to everyone's satisfaction), one is due to be patched, and one really ought to be a simple fix. But WF still kept their best immunities; and I would argue their native 25% Fortification is more useful now that you want 125-150% Fort in epics to be truly protected.

    I'll agree WF have lost more than they've gained over the last few updates - in fact I shelved all of my non-arcane WF after U14 came out while I waited for the heal amp & other bugs to be fixed - but I'm not all "ZOMG the sky is falling!!1!" doom & gloom about WF either. Though I suppose a silver lining to being a severe altaholic is every time Turbine nerfs one or more of my chars, I just move over to someone else.

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    expecting a dev or employee of turbines to post on a topic such as this... is well, it's just not going to happen. it's like going up to george lucas's front door and asking him for the original star wars back, yeah he may be there and he may be listening but that doesn't mean he's going to open the door or even care.
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