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    In your experience, what's the best class to play if you want to level up quickly? I would guess Cleric or Favored Soul are good choices, since healers are always in demand. If you wanted to reach level 20 in a hurry, what class would you choose and why?
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    Are you going to solo or are you planning to group? Do you have lots of gear and experience or are you relatively new and poorly geared?

    Arcanes work great if you know what you're doing. But, most people advising sorcerers either are just reading forums and regurgitating back what they read or they have a pretty reasonable amount of experience.

    Favored soul offers most of the spell casting perks that go with arcanes and has the added advantage of always being in demand. It can be a little more challenging to get the build right compared to a cleric. Clerics really only need to focus on two stats: WIS and CON and can group pretty much at will with any and everyone if they figure out how to buff and heal.

    Of course, most people advise against that. But, you aren't asking about what is most fun to play. You asked what can level up fast to L20.

    Cleric played as a baby-sitter works remarkably well if that is your goal. You can pretty much guarantee you'll be getting a group invite if you can heal and buff. Or, you can run your own groups and they will fill quickly.

    The thread on sorcerer for rapid TRing is pretty misleading. You should keep in mind that this character is run by an experienced player who has a very strong guild and friends to run with. If you don't have those things then you are going to be disappointed because a lot of what that player does is centered around a very strong support system and exceptional knowledge of all the quests.

    The only classes that are pretty much guaranteed a slot in most groups are the divine classes. If you are just going the pick up group route you'll find the going is easiest with a healing focused FvS or with a cleric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Therigar View Post
    Favored soul offers most of the spell casting perks that go with arcanes and has the added advantage of always being in demand. It can be a little more challenging to get the build right compared to a cleric. Clerics really only need to focus on two stats: WIS and CON and can group pretty much at will with any and everyone if they figure out how to buff and heal.
    Good advice. Sorcs are super fast to level - even solo - once you know the quests and have access to decent gear, but it's a bit of a learning curve. Favored souls are quite a bit slower at low and early mid levels, and they do not have the easy healing that a cleric does with radiant servant blasts and aura. If you join groups that are looking for a healer you might be frustrated on favored soul for early levels, especially if you do not have the resources for consumables. If it were not for the huge amount of xp between levels 10 and 12 I would really hate doing that part of a favored soul life.

    If you are willing to group you can play almost any class first life and get to cap pretty fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbus View Post
    If your experience, what's the best class to play if you want to level up quickly?...edited... what class would you choose and why?
    its unfortunate how you being a modest and self-assuming person makes you phrase this question, a normal sane person would reply:
    class=sorc why=fastest
    luckily for you im something of a arrogant(me) know-it-all(definitely me) twit(very definitely me) so none of my personality allow me to do so instead i will bury you in a wall of text.

    the one tryth to rule them all:
    first of "in your opinion" this shows a you dont know this is not a complicated question its a very simple one (lest the way you phrased the question) the way you asked this will make people say its a sorc since he kills stuff really really fast. in 95% of the quests what you do is A kill stuff B run past stuff, so it basically boils down to which class can kill faster. when they introduced TR it became apparent how much faster a arcane (wiz or sorc) could lvl compared to anyone else before this there was not important to the long term players 6 days to cap or 4 days it didnt matter.
    basically its not a opinion its as close to a fact as you can come sorc/wiz are vastly superior in lvling speed no other class can compete and win.
    dont feel its very interesting to discuss if sorc or wiz is faster compared to each other so i just lump them together as "arcanes" and call arcanes the fastest lvlers *shurg

    now you may think but are you talking solo play here or what since isnt a healer more wanted for a random lfm? if you are thinking this then your wrong in doing so.
    lets say you have a challenge about solving a maze filled with lots of traps and dead ends, after you practiced it 1000times and can close your eyes and draw it from memory the only thing the matter are your running speed and endurance, this is the lvl were many of the repeat TRs are at and here arcanes shine even brighter for them. a healer is basically training wheels lvl1-19 useful for learning but not useful if your intrested in doing it fast, becuse of one fact faster kill=faster lvling and clerics dont kill as fast as a arcane.

    did you notice at start i mentioned it was unfortunate how you phrased the question since this is the easy answer its not a opinion its a fact a team of 6 sorc/wiz cant be beaten in lvling speed and for solo you cant beat a arcane.
    not gona beat around the bush and say this is my opinion its just the way it is
    while i might be wrong if then 99% of my friends who TRed more then 20times are also wrong all of them as i cant think of one which do not agree some might not like to play arcanes but even so they agree.

    this assumes you are basically a walking encyclopedia of knowledge about how to lvl fast but the thing is that if your not, then its unlikely being a arcane will make you lvl slower so its a either win or break even situation.

    newer players lvling speed:
    now if you assume we have a new player played max one month then even so a wf wizard is such a solid OP choice that i cant imagine he would lvl slower then another class but will admit in this situation we have a dominant random element and its just a from the hip shooting guess several other class/race comboes could offer basically similar lvling speed.

    a player which played 1month-4month still "new" with mmo standards this is like the 1week player very hard to guess which quests he will do and if he will solo or party mostly, just to hard to say with any certainty how it would play out this is why most prefer (and me also) the use the experienced TRer as a example with an easy answer.

    conclusion: id hazard as the closest thing to a all around answer would be a WF wizard for fastest lvler taking into account each of the three skill lvls

    edited: cleric/fvs yes your not completely wrong but id say instead its being self sufficient that will boost your odds of not failing quests (and thereby lvling speed) and having a easy time finding a party, lest this is what my experince tells me now a cleric/fvs are to reliant on team members in lower lvls to offer a secure lvling speed
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    While most of what this thread says is true, I feel it also depicts 'healers' in a rather derogatory way. Clerics and FVS aren't just about throwing around heals; there are plenty of buffs, offensive spells, and crowd control spells at your disposal. A divine that just stands around waiting to heal somebody, even a full support one, is a waste of a party slot. **This, of course, tends to change on many epic elite quests and some raids, but those are extreme cases**

    A good, experienced FVS or cleric can solo very easily, FVS more than cleric due to their offensive-minded PrE and higher SP. Finding groups is also easy, as divines are always in demand, and even an offensive-minded caster FVS can be a good healer for the majority of groups.

    Now, playing a full support cleric (FVS aren't really true support yet, since they only have their offensive casting PrE, at this point in time) is an acquired taste. Like in most MMO's, playing a real support class is frame of mind. Anyone can be a healer, not everyone can be a support class; it takes lowering your character's self-worth and sacrificing some of your independence to make your party's abilities burn brighter. That's not as easy as it sounds.

    In my experience, a full support cleric/FVS will level slower than a hybrid, generalist, or offensive-focused one, due to slower and less efficient soloability. But, this means you'll be more valuable to a party, should you find one, and that -10% exp penalty should disappear if you take your support roles seriously. It's up to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbus View Post
    If your experience, what's the best class to play if you want to level up quickly? I would guess Cleric or Favored Soul are good choices, since healers are always in demand. If you wanted to reach level 20 in a hurry, what class would you choose and why?
    Ignore everything above.

    The only factor in determining how fast you will level that really matters is how much fun you have playing that character.
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    Default Fun does not matter... must go faster.

    The OP doesn't care about fun. He doesn't want to PLAY his character. He wants it to be level 25 as fast as possible. The three days it takes some players to TR back to level 20 is too slow. There has to be a faster way to do it.

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    Default Fastest Leveler

    1st liife people who jump on the TR train level fastest. you join a group of TR's and just run repeat missions, and you level fast. Run elite missions primarily, and you'll level in 3 to 5 missions. I had one char who was on the TR train, and I had to get off it cause I leveled three times in like 2 hours. one minute I'm level 10 and suddenly I'm level 13.
    I barely got to missions before TR completed it. He'd complete missions in a few minutes.

    If a TR knows what he is doing, they can level extremely fast. Class becomes less significant as your knowledge of what to run and the quests involved. If you don't know the quests, then your spending your time learning the quests and that takes time. Once you know certain quests, you can blow thru them either quickly or take your time.

    Breaking containers in quests is time consuming. In some quests, its worth it, in some its not. In level quests 1 - 6 or solo quests, I wouldn't break containers. Its a waste of time. Killing every mob in the quest is also time consuming. Consider only killing the mobs you have to do complete the mission and who have agroed/cannot get away from.

    If your geared for it and have AOE's, agro a ton of mobs and then kill them all in a bunch, its quicker that way. Running thru a mission and dropping blade barriers were the mobs have to run thru them to follow you is effective and quick, cause your not stopping to fight the mobs, your just moving thru the mission and casting one spell occassionally. Mobile spellcaster also helps, but I beleive it requires 13 dex to be able to have that feat. You also need combat casting feat as a pre-req to it.

    Self healing/gear/knowledge is what counts. There are some classes that cannot self heal. I think the best classes for leveling are arties/arcanes/divines. If you think that divines cannot blitz thru a mission, your mistaken.

    I thought that you can only TR every 7 days, and after the first level you need more and more experience. 3rd life and after I believe was 4.4 mil or so. After your first life, things go slower, regardless of your class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ermin_Sivarch View Post
    Self healing/gear/knowledge is what counts. There are some classes that cannot self heal. I think the best classes for leveling are arties/arcanes/divines. If you think that divines cannot blitz thru a mission, your mistaken.
    Don't forget monks, shintao in particular. They can be very efficient soloers and very self-sufficient.

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    Wow, lots of stuff to pick through here. Thank you for all the great responses!
    Quote Originally Posted by Therigar View Post
    Are you going to solo or are you planning to group? Do you have lots of gear and experience or are you relatively new and poorly geared?
    I solo often, but join PUGs when I can find them. Some gear and experience, but not a ton. I just got my first character (a cleric) to level 20, if that's any indication.
    Quote Originally Posted by HastyPudding View Post
    A good, experienced FVS or cleric can solo very easily, FVS more than cleric due to their offensive-minded PrE and higher SP.
    Agreed. I solo'd a couple quests at level in Eveningstar and was pretty proud of my little self.
    Quote Originally Posted by JasonJi72 View Post
    Ignore everything above.
    The only factor in determining how fast you will level that really matters is how much fun you have playing that character.
    I agree this is an important point. If you're having fun, leveling always goes a lot more quickly.
    Quote Originally Posted by EarlofPain View Post
    The OP doesn't care about fun. He doesn't want to PLAY his character. He wants it to be level 25 as fast as possible. The three days it takes some players to TR back to level 20 is too slow. There has to be a faster way to do it.
    I'm surprised that some of you are talking about leveling in terms of days. It took me several months to get my cleric up to level 20.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ermin_Sivarch View Post
    Self healing/gear/knowledge is what counts. There are some classes that cannot self heal. I think the best classes for leveling are arties/arcanes/divines. If you think that divines cannot blitz thru a mission, your mistaken.
    Quote Originally Posted by HastyPudding View Post
    Don't forget monks, shintao in particular. They can be very efficient soloers and very self-sufficient.
    Do bards belong in this group as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbus View Post
    Do bards belong in this group as well?
    Bards can be very self sufficient, yes, and many like to group with them. If you are soloing the AoE damage isn't there so much and the individual damage isn't spectacular, but the effectiveness of fascinate becomes more prominent as everyone else isn't breaking it on you.

    CC, self healing, decent skill list. Can splash for traps. You can also do the invis sprint to the end of many quests for faster completions. I find wiz/sorc to be faster for leveling for that reason plus the AoE offense.

    I solo all kinds of stuff on a bard; it just isn't always as fast as with higher AoE damage and instant kills comparatively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aashrym View Post
    Bards can be very self sufficient, yes, and many like to group with them. If you are soloing the AoE damage isn't there so much and the individual damage isn't spectacular, but the effectiveness of fascinate becomes more prominent as everyone else isn't breaking it on you.

    CC, self healing, decent skill list. Can splash for traps. You can also do the invis sprint to the end of many quests for faster completions. I find wiz/sorc to be faster for leveling for that reason plus the AoE offense.

    I solo all kinds of stuff on a bard; it just isn't always as fast as with higher AoE damage and instant kills comparatively.
    Agreed. I rank bards along with rangers in the solo arena. They're self-sufficient and can hold their own, but they're just not top tier like divine/arcane casters and monks. Bards shine in parties, though.



    I guess if you had to make a rundown of them all:

    Favored Soul - excellent solo class; a half step behind sorcerer, purely because sorcerer has a wider range of offensive spells
    Cleric - great soloers, although a little slower than FVS
    Sorcerer - WF sorcerers are arguably the best soloing class, fleshies being on par with a good wizard or FVS
    Wizard - good soloers; PMs are very soloable once they hit 12, AMs can solo well if WF
    Fighter - lack of reliable self-healing for real soloing, but decent UMD isn't hard to achieve; hireling required in most cases
    Monk - dark monks can easily solo with a hireling; light monks make excellent soloers
    Barbarian - no self-healing at all and little in the way of self-defense; hireling required
    Paladin - not as good as casters or monks, but self-healing is very useful
    Rogue - depends entirely on the build, but a good rogue can get high UMD for self-healing; hireling required in most cases
    Ranger - modest healing and buffing abilities, but more fragile than fighters or paladins; hireling would prove useful in most cases
    Artificer - excellent soloers; might have trouble in some quests but definitely self-sufficient
    Bard - on par with paladins and rogues; very self-sufficient, but depending on the build a hireling might be needed
    Druid - on par with wizards and monks for soloing; good survivability, self healing, and offensive abilities

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    AOE damage is a must
    high single target dps is a must
    self healing is a must
    survivability is useful
    faster than base runspeed is useful

    There is a reason 19sorc/1barb is the most popular build for speed-TRing.


    Hell...if geared, 10sorc/10barb is faster to cap than any class not a sorc/wiz/arti/clr/fvs (blade barrier or acidrain/fw ftw).

    AOE damage and quickened self-heals are that good. Playing anything without a good AOE (cleave sortof counts but not really) once you are an accomplished zerger is pretty horrifying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMechMan View Post
    AOE damage is a must
    high single target dps is a must
    self healing is a must
    survivability is useful
    faster than base runspeed is useful

    There is a reason 19sorc/1barb is the most popular build for speed-TRing.


    Hell...if geared, 10sorc/10barb is faster to cap than any class not a sorc/wiz/arti/clr/fvs (blade barrier or acidrain/fw ftw).

    AOE damage and quickened self-heals are that good. Playing anything without a good AOE (cleave sortof counts but not really) once you are an accomplished zerger is pretty horrifying.
    This. One of the preferred builds for TR zerging (to accumulate past lives) is 14 Sorc/1 Barb/5 Desired PL then
    use a +5 heart to drop 5 Sorc levels and then TR again (different timers). There also a Wis based ranged build
    using Zen Archery, Manyshot, AA and Ten Thousand Stars but I can't personally vouch for that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knockcocker View Post
    This. One of the preferred builds for TR zerging (to accumulate past lives) is 14 Sorc/1 Barb/5 Desired PL then
    use a +5 heart to drop 5 Sorc levels and then TR again (different timers). There also a Wis based ranged build
    using Zen Archery, Manyshot, AA and Ten Thousand Stars but I can't personally vouch for that one.
    I use 1 lvl of rogue instead of barb for all the traps and the extra xp that comes with it ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMechMan View Post
    AOE damage is a must
    high single target dps is a must
    Yup, this is the part that slows bards down. IC is a nice boost to group DPS but bards individual DPS can be lacking and AoE DPS is horrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aashrym View Post
    Yup, this is the part that slows bards down. IC is a nice boost to group DPS but bards individual DPS can be lacking and AoE DPS is horrible.
    Their DPS is lacking, but the sonic blast spell that stuns is good crowd control & AOE. Unlike sorcs/wizards, they can enhance their spell power in sonic. I wouldn't say their DPS for AOE is horrible, just fair.

    Overall bards aren't in the 1st tier of classes that are best at DPS, but they can be effective in a group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow7375
    I use 1 lvl of rogue instead of barb for all the traps and the extra xp that comes with it ...
    When I did an Artificer life I kept track of the stuff I disarmed. The EXP I gained from the trap-based EXP bonuses accounted for about ~2.7% of my total EXP during the journey. However, the 9 seconds (6 to search, 3 to disable) it took to disarm the 471 traps I took out on the journey took ~70 minutes of time (probably a bit more, as I had to walk to the traps), or ~1.6% of the total time the Artificer's journey (out of ~72 hours).

    If you are alone or in a small group, traps are not always a great source of EXP for the time they take to disarm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrCow View Post
    When I did an Artificer life I kept track of the stuff I disarmed. The EXP I gained from the trap-based EXP bonuses accounted for about ~2.7% of my total EXP during the journey. However, the 9 seconds (6 to search, 3 to disable) it took to disarm the 471 traps I took out on the journey took ~70 minutes of time (probably a bit more, as I had to walk to the traps), or ~1.6% of the total time the Artificer's journey (out of ~72 hours).

    If you are alone or in a small group, traps are not always a great source of EXP for the time they take to disarm.
    Very interesting .. Never looked at it that way.

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