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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpone View Post
    You can't examine your ED window until you reach level 20 and talk to a Fatespinner.

    That is incorrect. My 2nd life Fighter with maxed out LD is currently at lvl 17 and I can examine the ED window and see all lvls of ED that I have unlocked (Even though they are inactive at the moment).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpone View Post
    Exalted Angel was selected as my ED prior to me TRing. I TR'd from 10 Fighter/8 Favored Soul/2 Monk. I lost a minimum of 16 fate points worth of ED XP. In my previous life I had tier 3, tier 2 and tier 2 twists of fate unlocked. That requires 18 fate points, -2 for the Tome of Fate I purchased. All EDs were leveled to at least level 3, with several (EA, LD, GMOF, others) capped. Obviously it's a significant loss of time, money (from 20% XP pots I purchased) and my sanity.
    Hmm, does it show 0 or 2 Fate points available then? I mean, did it delete your Tome of Fate as well?
    Goodluck in dealing with Account support for this one. I hope you can get something back from them even if it's not the XP. Obviously the GM's can't do anything.

    To be honest, I didn't hear about this bug happening for quite a while and was kind of hoping it died out. And now it's happened to a regular forum poster. Hopefully we can get some more attention for this nasty bug.

    So what would you do if you never (in any reasonable time) get the XP back? Take a break from the game, move on? What if it was a maxed out destiny character?
    If it happened to me on one of my max destiny chars, i'd probably take a break from the game...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulverine View Post
    I don't mean examining your ED window, I mean targeting yourself and then "examining" Under class and level it also lists Current ED, even if you're not lvl20 yet.
    Basically I was trying to determine when the reset happened.

    Obviously you can't do that anymore at this point, but maybe you recall seeing your current selected destiny listed while leveling? If you did, that narrows the reset moment to either hitting lvl20 and the selected destiny becoming active, or talking to the fatespinner after hitting 20. My guess is on the former.

    Also, thinking about what the poster above me said, what was your current selected destiny? (the one you had active when you TR'd) And what class split did you TR from/into?

    And just out of curiousity, how much destiny XP did you lose?
    You can also hit the little toggle button to switch between heroic xp (blue bar) & destiny xp (yellow).

    If i toggle mine it shows that before i TR'd i was in the Magistar destiny, about half a yellow bar & 3 yellow balls.

    I should get back to level 20 this weekend & i'm starting to get little worried now!

    I will let you know how it goes.........

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    I've created a separate thread with condensed information for my plight: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=407069. I'll be following up all inquiries there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpone View Post
    Yes. During my previous life as an WIS/DC-focused 18 FvS/2 Monk evoker, I had the Evocation Focus feat. It was a prerequisite for two of my Twists of Fate: Magister Evocation Specialist and Draconic Incarnation Precise Casting (Evocation).
    You know, the more I read this.................

    If you need something like a feat to progress in a line in the destiny, like needing Evocation focus to get a skill in tier 2 that allows you a skill in tier 3 etc.....

    If when you TR and dont take that required feat waht happens those skills you have at tier 3 that you took when you should not really have the tier 2 skill?

    Surely this would cause a problem & need to reset that tree? Maybe the devs overlooked this and causing a comlete wipe because the code does not know what to do?

    Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Senator View Post
    You know, the more I read this.................

    If you need something like a feat to progress in a line in the destiny, like needing Evocation focus to get a skill in tier 2 that allows you a skill in tier 3 etc.....

    If when you TR and dont take that required feat waht happens those skills you have at tier 3 that you took when you should not really have the tier 2 skill?

    Surely this would cause a problem & need to reset that tree? Maybe the devs overlooked this and causing a comlete wipe because the code does not know what to do?

    Just a thought.
    If thats the case then destinies are the single biggest bungle in a long time, as having not have done the QA work to make sure they are interacting with TR toons correctly is something that definately should have been done.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wabisuki View Post
    Simlpy put turbinepoints=$ $$=EXP EXPgone trough turbine negligence=theft
    Technically, since you can't exchange Turbine points for money, turbine points != $.
    $=turbine points, but that isn't transitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Senator View Post
    You know, the more I read this.................

    If you need something like a feat to progress in a line in the destiny, like needing Evocation focus to get a skill in tier 2 that allows you a skill in tier 3 etc.....

    If when you TR and dont take that required feat waht happens those skills you have at tier 3 that you took when you should not really have the tier 2 skill?

    Surely this would cause a problem & need to reset that tree? Maybe the devs overlooked this and causing a comlete wipe because the code does not know what to do?

    Just a thought.
    I TR'd about 2 months ago from an Evoker Artificer and have gotten back up to epic as a Rogue. My ED lines show that I have the Magister +3 DC for Evocation spells as an available ED. Clearly I do not have Spell Focus Evo as a Rogue but can still Twist in the Magister Feat if wanted.

    I'd like to think that this mechanic is intentional and should stay this way to reward the TRing individual. This would allow me to play a feat starved sorc and not have to take Spell Focus Evocation to qualify for my EDs if I already completed that in a previous life. Instead my sorc could take past life Arcane Initiate.

    Anyhow, thought I would throw my 2 cents in regarding the behaivior of ED requirements after TRing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wabisuki View Post
    negligence=theft
    No, that is false. It MIGHT be a breach of contract, but that's a civil tort, not a criminal charge. BTW accusing someone of a crime in public is also a cvil tort and opens you up for a lawsuit from Turbine.

    This means i can consider this THEFT. The fact they are fine with just letting this slide for well over a month shows me how serious turbine takes it customers. .
    As noted already, no, you can not consider this malfunction to be theft.

    It's probably not even breach of contract since the contract you electronically signed said specifically that it was ok if their product or any sub product was unusable, even due to Turbine negligence.

    You are however correct that it is horribly bad CS. It's justication to quit the game so Turbine no longer gets your money. That is your only realistic remedy.

    Accusing them of a crime they didn't commit won't help and can get you in trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wabisuki View Post
    Ok i have mentioned it several times already however,

    Over a month ago already i lost all my epic destinies, they claim to be working on it but im fed up. They can implement exp stones and can grant exp and all that yet they are unwilling to give any assistance in this form. I lost ALL epic destiny levels, i paid exp potions to do it and i capped them AFTER they nerfed the challenges because they were giving "to" much exp (thank you to wtvr dimwit pointed this out so they nerfed it /sarcasm). Simlpy put turbinepoints=$ $$=EXP EXPgone trough turbine negligence=theft

    This means i can consider this THEFT. The fact they are fine with just letting this slide for well over a month shows me how serious turbine takes it customers. Yes yes people will be all over this, rant rant rant. Put yourselves in my shoes or someone elses that got shafted hardcore.

    People keep telling me this is a isolated incident, but over the forums ive seen several people with the issue i have mentioned. I would like to see a headcount of people who actually LOST stuff they paid for, wether it be exp or the prepurchase they paid for but didnt get, anything that can be literally translated to theft. I want to know what has been covered up so far.
    Its actually more along the lines of questionable customer service, rather than theft.

    If a contract is in violation of law the terms of said contract dont become legal simply because the user signed their name on the dotted line. Microtransactions are a huge protection from this.

    The major law here is paying money to gain specific service, and service not provided. The issue with microtransactions is the customer paid to gain points, and the points were provided. They then bought EDs and a TR heart with points, not with legal tender. The customer spending points to gain a TR heart for instance is not the same as the customer spending legal tender currency to gain a TR heart, so if the heart doesnt do specifically what it said it would do, it had no cash value anyhow, because it was obtained by means of using "no cash value" points to obtain it. By convolution of the purchase process and insertion of no cash value mechanics, companies avoid criminal law in many cases when their products dont work as intended. Yeah, the "no cash value" microtransactions model is a technicality, but its precidented as being legal. THis is how they ignore the issue for 6 months and dont pay anyone their money back, legally. The money was paid to gain no cash value points. Everything after that point, is no cash value.
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    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinggartk View Post
    That is incorrect. My 2nd life Fighter with maxed out LD is currently at lvl 17 and I can examine the ED window and see all lvls of ED that I have unlocked (Even though they are inactive at the moment).
    I could see my ED too while leveling and they indeed been inactive. While I haven't lost them like other posters I however noticed - that at the time I reached level 20 again - it didn't unlocked them properly. In other words I could drag the active feats in my shortcut bar but they stayed gray. Unfortunately for me the only way to make them usable was to spend money to reset the whole ED and redistribute the points in it. Since then it works as expected.

    After all it was more an annoyance for me then something game breaking, but I can fully understand the frustration and would like to know the root cause and triggers before I reincarnate again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kinggartk View Post
    That is incorrect. My 2nd life Fighter with maxed out LD is currently at lvl 17 and I can examine the ED window and see all lvls of ED that I have unlocked (Even though they are inactive at the moment).
    If his ED tree was wiped upon res'ing, then he may not be able to see his tree during heroic progression. Some people think before they speak and other's fill the air with noise pollution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Senator View Post
    You know, the more I read this.................

    If you need something like a feat to progress in a line in the destiny, like needing Evocation focus to get a skill in tier 2 that allows you a skill in tier 3 etc.....

    If when you TR and dont take that required feat waht happens those skills you have at tier 3 that you took when you should not really have the tier 2 skill?

    Surely this would cause a problem & need to reset that tree? Maybe the devs overlooked this and causing a comlete wipe because the code does not know what to do?

    Just a thought.
    They will reset all of those skills in the tree when you hit level 20 for those EDs. I had the point reset (but not xp reset) occur for me this last TR.

    If you do not have a required feat for a specific skill in an ED tree the entire ED's points will be reset/refunded so you can respec. It may not however show the reset in skills till you've hit max level.

    Also, you should be able to view all of your EDs before max level IF you are a TR. If you can't, it's time to start to panic.
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