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    Default PM health bars...

    I know this has been suggested before, but I would like the devs to revisit the idea if possible:

    Change the health bar on pale masters (in undead form) from red to something else. Purple, black, green - I don't really care as long as my cleric can see it is not red.


    In an elite Shroud this weekend I got blamed for a wipe after the two wizards went down at the start of Part 4. They had been undead through parts 1, 2, and 3, but both decided not to switch to undead form for part 4. I had been asked at the beginning, when the group was filling, if I could solo heal and I said yes (I have done it before successfully on elite.) Both wizards died at the start of part 4 (before Harry even showed up) and both started screaming at me that I hadn't healed them. I asked why they didn't go into undead form and the both said "everyone knows" you don't use undead form in part 4 or 5 because of the light damage. I have never heard of that before and I don't think it's true.

    Anyway, instead of regrouping and getting to it everyone starts whining at me for claiming I could solo heal when I can't. The rest of the party wipes (even though we should have been able to do it, even without the two wizards) and several people thank me for wasting their time...

    So... A change in the health bar from red to purple, black, or whatever would be appreciated.
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    sounds good it will help.

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    It is your fault, you should have asked if they were in undead form!
    /not signed enough ez buttons in game already!
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    I completely agree with this idea...would save me from wasting heals when someone's in undead form, and would save me the couple seconds it takes for me to ask when I see a PM's health bar dropping quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mobrien316 View Post
    I have never heard of that before and I don't think it's true.
    This is, indeed, male bovine dung. You should have called them out there and then. I ran 40 shrouds on my wiz, most as a PM. I've never ever died to light damage in there. I never dropped form either.
    Quote Originally Posted by mobrien316 View Post
    So... A change in the health bar from red to purple, black, or whatever would be appreciated.
    Yes.

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    I'd never thought about it till you wrote this, but yeah so many groups first question they ask the wizard: Are you PM or not?

    The different color would be great.

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    What an awesome idea sir, btw those two casters were gimp.

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    No no no ..... the game is clearly evolving in a completely different direction!

    After the introduction of Judgment, heroic divine casters should be able to have fun too: can I please nuke Pale Masters in undead form with my healing spells? *grins*

    Quote Originally Posted by mobrien316 View Post

    Change the health bar on pale masters (in undead form) from red to something else. Purple, black, green - I don't really care as long as my cleric can see it is not red.
    Aye, signed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miow View Post
    What an awesome idea sir, btw those two casters were gimp.
    /signed

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    Quote Originally Posted by pie2655 View Post
    It is your fault, you should have asked if they were in undead form!
    /not signed enough ez buttons in game already!
    Where is the "ez button" in the request? Easy buttons make gameplay easier, this would just clarify the state the PMs are currently in.

    The first part I'm guessing is a failed attempt at humor.

    /signed.

    Green gets my vote.

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    Green for oxygen depleted ichor blood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pie2655 View Post
    It is your fault, you should have asked if they were in undead form!
    /not signed enough ez buttons in game already!
    If they had been in form for the entire raid and then decided to change, it was the PMs job to make sure the cleric knew they were out of form. The change is a neat idea, but I honestly think the solution is to group with less whiny people.

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    Not needed. (but doesn't mean it wouldn't be nice)


    ...and it is NOT the Cleric's fault.

    Everyone needs to take responsibility to keep themselves alive.

    Raids may be different,... (but people need to pay attention even then)

    but a Pale Master who suddenly decides to not be undead and expects you to keep them up without telling you..... is the one at fault.
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    ..., but I honestly think the solution is to group with less whiny people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandric View Post
    If they had been in form for the entire raid and then decided to change, it was the PMs job to make sure the cleric knew they were out of form. The change is a neat idea, but I honestly think the solution is to group with less whiny people.
    Lol.... this is soooo true.. lol


    Edit: Hope you don't mind, I just made this my sig!

    Cause seriously.... every problem I see in DDO comes down to just about this! lol
    Last edited by Talon_Moonshadow; 08-28-2012 at 10:57 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jandric View Post
    ..., but I honestly think the solution is to group with less whiny people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmaxhunter View Post
    Red for blood
    Green for oxygen depleted ichor blood.
    /signed

    It would also help when trying to get a dead palemaster back into the battle. Right after you rez them, do you heal or harm? Having a color indicator to know when they change forms would be very helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pie2655 View Post
    It is your fault, you should have asked if they were in undead form!
    /not signed enough ez buttons in game already!
    this post is epic fail.

    or a lame joke, I can't tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mobrien316 View Post
    "everyone knows" you don't use undead form in part 4 or 5 because of the light damage.
    Euhm... light damage in part 4? No devils AFAIK use light, and the healer gnolls don't even cast offensive spells AFAIK.

    Anyway, /signed on undead getting a different color from the living. Living "powered" by positive = red bar, undead powered by negative = some other color, maybe dark purple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talon_Moonshadow View Post
    Lol.... this is soooo true.. lol


    Edit: Hope you don't mind, I just made this my sig!

    Cause seriously.... every problem I see in DDO comes down to just about this! lol
    Awesome I don't mind in the least...

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    Sounds good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pie2655 View Post
    It is your fault, you should have asked if they were in undead form!
    /not signed enough ez buttons in game already!
    It IS your fault. Don't you know that ANY party wipe is ALWAYS the healers fault? It can't possibly be the fault of an uberleet whinemaster (or two)!

    Sheesh!

    Opinions like pie's are one of the reasons this game is lacking in healers.

    Oh, and /signed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by psteen1 View Post
    this post is epic fail.

    or a lame joke, I can't tell.
    pie2655 is quite trying to troll anywhere, anytime. And it is quite unoriginal at it, so just don´t bother.

    And you will see, he will threaten to report me and so on, like in other posts.
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