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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMechMan View Post
    I think everyone knows by now that EDs are brutally overpowered; so much so that throwing lily petals at a wall for 5minutes and then going in and blowing mobs away with a button is the best course of action. That is good game design?
    Everything-is-easy is over-powered.

    A guy plays a toon with the biggest easy-button in the game and then whines he's not challenged?
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    If the game is "too easy", perhaps looking at what's MAKING it that way is in order. Not from Turbine's end, but from your own.

    Are you always making sure you've got ship buffs for every single quest? Okay, try doing it without them. Minor increase to challenge level.

    Are you setting yourself up to only use the most overpowered ED abilities? Okay, try doing it with a less powerful ED. Larger increase to challenge level.

    Are you skipping past lots of the mobs on epic elite via invis, ddoor, etc? Okay, try fighting your way through them, the way the devs obviously intended, making you have to utilize more resources to reach the end. Larger increase to challenge level.

    Is it "gimping yourself" to do so? Not really. It's just less "minmax" and more "challenging yourself".

    If I have a character who can casually take down everything in the game, due to having every single possible advantage that I've stacked on myself, the fact that it's "too easy" is on MY head, not the devs'. I went out of my way to MAKE it easy, by stacking so many abilities/advantages, and playing in a way that exploits the mobs' AI/tethering.

    Some people call it "just smart playing", but if it's making you bored, then why NOT change it?

    (Warning: Hyperbole ahead) If I had a sword/ability that killed any mob (boss or not) in one swing, the game would be pretty damn boring. Should I not try doing it WITHOUT said uber-sword/ability, to challenge myself? Or would that be "gimping myself"?

    I dunno. I guess I've just never understood the mindset of going out of your way to stack every possible advantage in order to trivialize content, then complaining when it turns out that it IS easy, and being completely unwilling to change playstyles in order to make the game more challenging again.

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    Real challenge CANNOT EXIST in DDO unless it's at least partially self-assigned unless serious nerfs sweep across DDO that we just aren't going to see. I'm not going to even go over the absurdity of what can be done by casters with unlimited SP, let's talk about the OP.

    What could possibly be done to challenge GMoFs with Everything-is-Easy? This is a serious question, as I'm really not sure. The existence of this ability makes balancing challenge all but impossible, if you have/use this ability you've lost the right to complain about stuff being too easy.

    A huge AoE insta-kill with an absurdly high DC . . . what could Turbine do to provide challenge to toons with this ability?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ape_Man View Post
    it's not the 26 Pls as much as DDO has some extremely over-powered classes. let's see somebody solo all the EEs on a bard.
    LOL, I had the same reaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ape_Man View Post
    A huge AoE insta-kill with an absurdly high DC . . . what could Turbine do to provide challenge to toons with this ability?
    What's the definition of insanity?

    Ever wonder what Turbine was thinking by implementing EiN at the same time as they were flailing around with various unsuccessful ideas as to how to fix wailing PMs?

    It's like the monk guy and the wizard guy never spoke with one-another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ape_Man View Post
    A huge AoE insta-kill with an absurdly high DC . . . what could Turbine do to provide challenge to toons with this ability?
    Beyond going back to old school epic design with most/all mobs immune to this sort of badly designed junk ability not much at all.

    Really the fix will lie with fixing this ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ape_Man View Post
    Real challenge CANNOT EXIST in DDO unless it's at least partially self-assigned unless serious nerfs sweep across DDO that we just aren't going to see. I'm not going to even go over the absurdity of what can be done by casters with unlimited SP, let's talk about the OP.

    What could possibly be done to challenge GMoFs with Everything-is-Easy? This is a serious question, as I'm really not sure. The existence of this ability makes balancing challenge all but impossible, if you have/use this ability you've lost the right to complain about stuff being too easy.

    A huge AoE insta-kill with an absurdly high DC . . . what could Turbine do to provide challenge to toons with this ability?
    Make you fight things more than once every 5 minutes?

    I don't know about you, but most of the groups I'm in don't want to wait for 5 minutes after each fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrudh View Post
    Make you fight things more than once every 5 minutes?

    I don't know about you, but most of the groups I'm in don't want to wait for 5 minutes after each fight.
    IDK, about the game you are playing but people basically farm out the quick quests where you can gather and kill mobs using stuff like this.

    Not to mention that the five minute timer is not party limited, but character limited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrudh View Post
    Make you fight things more than once every 5 minutes?

    I don't know about you, but most of the groups I'm in don't want to wait for 5 minutes after each fight.
    You can still "skip" the harder fights, or kill multiple encounters are the same time.

    Look at "The House of Broken Chains". You can bash all doors open and then EiN all 20 guards. It saves a lot of resources and avoids most of the risks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrudh View Post
    Make you fight things more than once every 5 minutes?

    I don't know about you, but most of the groups I'm in don't want to wait for 5 minutes after each fight.
    Talking about soloing . . . when EiN will remove a room full of anything that isn't red-named. Fighting one mobs at a time just stun and beat-down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyr View Post
    Beyond going back to old school epic design with most/all mobs immune to this sort of badly designed junk ability not much at all.
    They won't do that, nor will Turbine nerf their precious monks.

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    Really the fix will lie with fixing this ability.
    The DC is too high, but this will never be addressed.
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    all istant kills(GoF, wizzy, FvS) are wrong, make this game too easy.
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    solo ADQ2 EE http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=414558
    solo FoT EE http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=414946
    Waiting better and harder end game(or neverwinter online)

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    For now i m back (gw2 is too casual player for my gameplay style) i just waiting a better end game or neverwinter online
    Uriziem Completionist done, past life 28/30
    solo ADQ2 EE http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=414558
    solo FoT EE http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=414946
    Waiting better and harder end game(or neverwinter online)

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