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    Quote Originally Posted by redspecter23 View Post
    For someone that has all their toons capped at 25, they will receive so few mats per run that it could take months to create one item due to overlevel mat penalties. Level 20 toons have no issue, but if you're stuck with only 25's to run with, you simply can't make base items. I'm pretty sure that's the point that is trying to be made. You can't "de-level" your toon to 20 in order to run challenges. Your only option may be to TR and hit them at an appropriate level range your next time through. That's not considered to be an acceptable workaround for most people, I'm guessing.

    Yeah I that's what I surmised after my second cup of coffee. I'm such an altaholic I tend to forget other players may not have multiple characters at various levels.

    If that is the case, I think creating a designated 'challenge toon' would be in order. Something designed for speed and self-sufficiency with good melee punch that can blast through the challenges at a good clip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Postumus View Post
    Yeah I that's what I surmised after my second cup of coffee. I'm such an altaholic I tend to forget other players may not have multiple characters at various levels.

    If that is the case, I think creating a designated 'challenge toon' would be in order. Something designed for speed and self-sufficiency with good melee punch that can blast through the challenges at a good clip.
    No I think just having an epic for regular material turn-in would solve the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Postumus View Post
    Yeah I that's what I surmised after my second cup of coffee. I'm such an altaholic I tend to forget other players may not have multiple characters at various levels.

    If that is the case, I think creating a designated 'challenge toon' would be in order. Something designed for speed and self-sufficiency with good melee punch that can blast through the challenges at a good clip.
    Having the onus for making Epic items directly attached to the level of a player doing the quest/challenge is a horrible design. Creating a "designated challenge toon" to make these items would be like telling players if they want to make an ESOS for example, they must stay in at-level range for the heroic Dragon raid until they get the SOS because once you go over-level, the chances of the base item dropping for your character will start decreasing.

    Okay, that's not the best example. Let's change it to Epic Red Dragonscale Armor. If the various Dragon Scales needed to make the base armor were BTA and the chances of them dropping would decrease as players do the quests overlevel, players would have two options. One option would be to park a character at level for Tor or the other dragon quests until they got enough to make the item. The other is to farm these quests overlevel (in which Prey would probably be the one everyone would start running) so they can start making the armor. Again, this isn't a great example since Dragon Scales aren't BTC or BTA and swappable in chests while you only need 20 compared to the 1800 for the guaranteed Challenge mats...

    I hope you get the idea. The design is fine when the cap was 20. However, with the level cap at 25, the penalty is very hefty for players that are overlevel to make the base items.

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    Let's just keep it simple, Turbine started selling the challenge pack to all players. I think we can agree that one of the main reasons people play DDO and buy new content is to develop their characters, mainly via XP and loot. People who bought the pack now have to stay within a certain level range to reasonably use the loot from this pack. The XP has also been drasitcally reduced. Turbine's position is clearly hypocritical on what their intentions for this pack are.

    I know I am feeling pretty ripped off right now, being unable to craft any base items after shelling out for this pack, so the whole thing is totally useless to me now. I know this is like going to the casino manager and asking for a refund after putting my paycheck into the slot machines, but how long before even the illusion of anything other than the utter shameless fleecing of addicts going to be maintained?

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