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    Default Yellow Dopant Pointless?

    Okay, so if I farm shroud for this and I'm more likely to get enough mats for a dual tier greensteel first... why does this item exist? The dopant should be a static end reward for shroud and a random drop in DA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etelan View Post
    Okay, so if I farm shroud for this and I'm more likely to get enough mats for a dual tier greensteel first... why does this item exist? The dopant should be a static end reward for shroud and a random drop in DA.
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    The drop rate is going to be increased, it will be a static 20 end reward, and will drop in TOD and Devil Assualt in U15.

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    I woudln't use it on greensteel, I would use it on ToD rings. Since they are harder to get than double sharded greensteel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwarfo View Post
    The drop rate is going to be increased, it will be a static 20 end reward, and will drop in TOD and Devil Assualt in U15.

    Yw.
    Should be static every shroud, but oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninety View Post
    I woudln't use it on greensteel, I would use it on ToD rings. Since they are harder to get than double sharded greensteel.
    Sure, but that sounds pretty busted to me. Someone over at Turbine implemented greensteel deconstructing for a reason. Greensteel aside, I have a pretty good chance of getting a new tower ring first and ToD is more fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by etelan View Post
    Should be static every shroud, but oh well.
    Why not go further and make it so that upon getting flagged for shroud, you can have your choice of 4 single or double-shard items, already cleansed and all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkForte View Post
    Why not go further and make it so that upon getting flagged for shroud, you can have your choice of 4 single or double-shard items, already cleansed and all?
    The point is - they tell us "Greensteel deconstruction is here!!11!!" then make the one required item almost impossible to obtain. On top of that, they change immunities such that some Greensteel items that MANY people have are next to useless now.

    Making Yellow Dopant SIGNIFICANTLY easier to obtain than it is now isn't asking too much. It's not like you get all your ingredients back when you use it anyway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNellesen View Post
    The point is - they tell us "Greensteel deconstruction is here!!11!!" then make the one required item almost impossible to obtain. On top of that, they change immunities such that some Greensteel items that MANY people have are next to useless now.

    Making Yellow Dopant SIGNIFICANTLY easier to obtain than it is now isn't asking too much. It's not like you get all your ingredients back when you use it anyway...
    Imo you should be able to buy yellow dopants from the green steel vendor guy down where you make the shavarath stones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PNellesen View Post
    The point is - they tell us "Greensteel deconstruction is here!!11!!" then make the one required item almost impossible to obtain. On top of that, they change immunities such that some Greensteel items that MANY people have are next to useless now.

    Making Yellow Dopant SIGNIFICANTLY easier to obtain than it is now isn't asking too much. It's not like you get all your ingredients back when you use it anyway...
    Devs stated that drop rate is increasing, that it is a guaranteed 20th completion reward, and the OP complains that he isn't getting one very shroud. Considering that it gives you back a cleanser, it seems apropriate to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkForte View Post
    Devs stated that drop rate is increasing, that it is a guaranteed 20th completion reward, and the OP complains that he isn't getting one very shroud. Considering that it gives you back a cleanser, it seems apropriate to me.
    No, he's complaining that as of now, yellow dope drop rate is so low that's useless to farm for. Anecdotally, we've ran maybe 6-8 guild shrouds on hard or elite since U14 exclusive to farm yellow dope, not a single one has dropped or end-reward for anyone.

    Perhaps you are not aware of this, but when the Shroud first came out in early 2008, there were no recipes provided, it was all trial and error (literally) and many of us have a bank page worth of failed early experiments that we would like to re-purpose.

    So, yeah, a cruel joke to tell people that GS decon is here and then make it almost impossible to obtain due to ridiculous drop rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNellesen View Post
    The point is - they tell us "Greensteel deconstruction is here!!11!!" then make the one required item almost impossible to obtain. On top of that, they change immunities such that some Greensteel items that MANY people have are next to useless now.

    Making Yellow Dopant SIGNIFICANTLY easier to obtain than it is now isn't asking too much. It's not like you get all your ingredients back when you use it anyway...
    Everybody keeps assuming that the current drop rate is what it is deliberately instead of mistakenly. Given what we've seen over the years I'd say that's less than a 50/50 shot. There have been a lot of cases, some taking months of research, where some conditional loop somebody never thought of would take something that was supposed to be like a 10% chance and made it 0.01% instead. It did it recently with the epic scroll drops, where there was an update and like 3 people across all servers got a scroll for 2 or 3 weeks until it was fixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkForte View Post
    Devs stated that drop rate is increasing, that it is a guaranteed 20th completion reward, and the OP complains that he isn't getting one very shroud. Considering that it gives you back a cleanser, it seems apropriate to me.
    Yes, very appropriate! You get a dopant on 20th completion and you can finally retain your cleansing essence back, but wait... dont you get like... another cleansing essence? How appropriate!

    Having any sort of item required to decon old stuff is ridiculous, due the simple fact that you get back 50% unballanced raw material. It would be actually <sane> to give back <entire> material used for creation, becouse simple <need to> farm all vale quests to obtain all required materials to craft the actual GS item is enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwarfo View Post
    The drop rate is going to be increased, it will be a static 20 end reward
    Oh sick, just gotta run 20 shrouds so I can decon an old item to get my cleansing essence back? My dreams have come true, prayers answered.

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    I guess I am just kinda slow, since I do not understand,.....deconstruction was added to the alters for greensteel and TOD rings. Why even require a special item to do this?

    Why not have it so you take your 10 to 20 failed experimental green steel items and deconstruct them? or if for some odd reason you have to have yet another material to accomplish something why not have the vendor sell it? Hech make the vendor ask 200,000 plat for it or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arminius View Post
    Everybody keeps assuming that the current drop rate is what it is deliberately instead of mistakenly...
    Good point, but the devs haven't said one way or another (afaik) whether the current drop rate is WAI. Even if it isn't, 5 times the current drop rate in the Shroud is still infinitesimal, based upon what people have been posting here and from what I've seen (I'm up to probably 10 Shrouds now since the update, most on Hard, and have seen exactly zero dopants drop for anyone. Nobody I've talked to in-game has seen one either, on Ghallanda or Orien.)

    As Bagol asked - Why do they require a special item anyway? Still haven't figured that out, especially considering that the Devs are the ones who rendered triple-neg greensteel much less useful with the changes to immunities...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkForte View Post
    Devs stated that drop rate is increasing, that it is a guaranteed 20th completion reward, and the OP complains that he isn't getting one very shroud. Considering that it gives you back a cleanser, it seems apropriate to me.
    I ran 20 shrouds to get the cleanser on that piece of green steel....why should I have to run another 20 just to decon and get it back when a cleanser will be on the 20th list and by that time I will have enough mats to make a couple green steel items.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aritukus View Post
    Yes, very appropriate! You get a dopant on 20th completion and you can finally retain your cleansing essence back, but wait... dont you get like... another cleansing essence? How appropriate!

    Having any sort of item required to decon old stuff is ridiculous, due the simple fact that you get back 50% unballanced raw material. It would be actually <sane> to give back <entire> material used for creation, becouse simple <need to> farm all vale quests to obtain all required materials to craft the actual GS item is enough.
    Considerimg that if you have a cleansed gs you don't use anymore, it's strictly better than a cleanser, yes, I'd say it's appropriate.
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    So we get what? 5x the drop rate?

    Well if I go by how often it drops I don't think we'll se a real difference.

    I mean 5 x 0.01% is still only 0.05% ...

    Just remove the ridiculous Yellow Dopant already, it has no use other then add grind to something that needs to be grinded to begin with, we dont need grind squared.

    Seriously we get half the mats or only the cleanser, still need to get the BTC shards and GS still some of the best gear at end game. Proper deconstruct won't kill the packs!

    If we can get to deconstruct without extra grind NO ONE will stop running Shroud or ToD, if Turbine really needs to have their Yellow Dopant for some reason just have it be sold by the Skelly in Shroud... Right now we have to farm an extra item to avoid farming, no one sees a problem here? How about that even at 5 times the drop rate it'll still be rarer then a ring?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bargol View Post
    I ran 20 shrouds to get the cleanser on that piece of green steel....why should I have to run another 20 just to decon and get it back when a cleanser will be on the 20th list and by that time I will have enough mats to make a couple green steel items.
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    The cleanser was a terrible grind in the first place. Don't punish us again because the game changed and that item had to change slots.

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