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    Default Conjure Bolt scrolls NEED to be fixed

    Quivers do not hold enuff bolts to feed a repeater.

    so if your a half elf arty Dili...you use scrolls to fill the need. or a rogue mechnic
    They stack 1000 per space.

    But they current make nothing if you use them.

    2 builds crippled over a simple bug you guys have failed to fix.

    geeez fix that scroll already
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    I agree that it sucks, but I think there are bigger issues right now *cough new raid cough* that need to fixed. Especially since you can get the house D returning bolts with a bit of favor.

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    so use flame arrow. or just use regular bolts in a quiver. by earning either SF or house D favor, if i'm not mistaken you can become able to buy 3 different types of bolts. one quiver is therefore enough to hold 1800 bolts, if you really need to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaid314 View Post
    so use flame arrow. or just use regular bolts in a quiver. by earning either SF or house D favor, if i'm not mistaken you can become able to buy 3 different types of bolts. one quiver is therefore enough to hold 1800 bolts, if you really need to.
    Large thin quiver from house D favor holds 3x1000 which if you have that favor you could fill it with +1 sturdy bolts and +3 sturdy bolts and any other style of bolts for an effective capacity of around 7000 shots.
    Last edited by Phoenix-daBard; 07-12-2012 at 01:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix-daBard View Post
    Large thin quiver from house D favor holds 3x1000 which if you have that favor you could fill it with +1 sturdy bolts and +3 sturdy bolts and any other style of bolts for an effective capacity of around 7000 shots.
    yes, that is also true. you can buy a 1800 slot total quiver (3x600) much earlier on though

    (for a first life character, burning that much money on a house D quiver is pretty expensive if you don't have someone to feed plat to the character).

    but yes, ultimately, house D quivers loaded with +0 (it isn't +1) and +3 sturdy and your choice of one other arrow type is indeed a good solution ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaid314 View Post
    +0 (it isn't +1)
    doh!

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    I see lots of work arounds.

    I have a better idea...fix the scroll

    I bet if raise dead scroll was doing the same thing...not raising dead...you could just
    imagine the screaming. But you can have work arounds for that.

    Less work arounds..more fix it.
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    While it is nice to demand "Fix it!", these people are trying to help you cope until it's fixed, which is the next best thing. Because you know, they can't fix it...
    Te audire non possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatherpirate View Post
    Less work arounds..more fix it.
    exactly, your problem has many workarounds, so it has little fixit

    it's ok to ask for a bug to be solved, they all should be, but acting like a jackass is not helpful

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatherpirate View Post
    I see lots of work arounds.

    I have a better idea...fix the scroll

    I bet if raise dead scroll was doing the same thing...not raising dead...you could just
    imagine the screaming. But you can have work arounds for that.

    Less work arounds..more fix it.
    It would seem that the bugs that should be addressed first are the ones with a serious game impact that don't have fairly straight forward work arounds.

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    Bolts are dirt cheap and fit into quivers. If you can get the returning 75% ones they last alot longer. Yeah it sucks to have to run and buy them, but you would have to buy scrolls anyhow.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    objectively speaking that bug is doing you a favour at the minute.

    Scorls cost money - more money than bolts.

    i dotn actualy see why your complaining here as your talking about scroll casting it.

    The bolts made by the spell, are 100+1 bolts. the +1 doesnt stack with the +1 on a crossbow. so as long as your using atleast a +1 crossbow then its the same as using 100 regualr bolts which cost next to nothing.

    just go buy a few quivers and stack em full of regular bolts untill you unlcok your house D favour.
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    Regular bolts stack in 100, even in a thin quiver they only stack 400
    summoned bolts stack in 1000

    so, if I summon 2000 bolts (very common amount for a repeater in a large dungeon) it takes up
    1 space in the ready spot and 1 in my inventory

    ok regular bolts 2000
    100 in the ready
    400 in the ready quiver
    400 in next quiver 1 inventory spot
    400 in next quiver 2 inventory spots
    400 in next quiver 3 inventory spots
    300 in next quiver 4 inventory spots

    summoned bolts 1 inventory spot
    regular 4 inventory spots

    also, when quiver 1 runs out...you can't fire
    you have to open up inventory and manually switch quivers
    while 3 orcs chew on you

    with summoned, first 1000 done, it auto loads the next 1000

    That is why summoned bolts are better than regular ones, if you use a repeater
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatherpirate View Post
    ...
    also, when quiver 1 runs out...you can't fire
    you have to open up inventory and manually switch quivers
    while 3 orcs chew on you

    with summoned, first 1000 done, it auto loads the next 1000

    That is why summoned bolts are better than regular ones, if you use a repeater
    Just keeping an eye on your quiver would obviate some of your problem...hardly "cripples" any build, just takes a little management. You could also run away then open your inventory tab...can you put quivers on a hotbar and hotswap them?

    I use 4 house D thin quivers on my non-arti lives, 4,000 +3 sturdy bolts definitely outlast ship buffs.

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    LOL

    what folks do to save a few plat.

    well, if you wanna micro manage your ammo in battle, knock yourself out.

    I prefer to spend a bit more plat, summon about 3000, using only 2 inventory slots
    and not have to think about anymore.

    maybe I am lazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatherpirate View Post
    LOL

    what folks do to save a few plat.

    well, if you wanna micro manage your ammo in battle, knock yourself out.
    Just making sure your quivers are topped-off before questing and checking them when resting is micromanaging? I don't run out of ammo this way. I could conjure bolts, but +3 sturdy > +2 conjured.

    Well, good luck with your "crippled" builds. Consider 2 arti levels instead so you can enhance your repeater with rune arms...and you could conjure bolts.

    BTW: You can even use hot bar slots to keep track of how many bolts you have left in your conjured stack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinusWyllt View Post
    Just making sure your quivers are topped-off before questing and checking them when resting is micromanaging? I don't run out of ammo this way. I could conjure bolts, but +3 sturdy > +2 conjured.

    Well, good luck with your "crippled" builds. Consider 2 arti levels instead so you can enhance your repeater with rune arms...and you could conjure bolts.

    BTW: You can even use hot bar slots to keep track of how many bolts you have left in your conjured stack.
    Not much help if your build has druid levels....druidic oath
    Not much help if your a non-arty caster...2 lvl splash gimps your spells

    not sure how fixing the broken summon scrolls would mean that I have crippled builds ?

    My current max level toon is only lvl 12....but I play in a PERMADEATH guild.
    so...I guess if you deleted ..every... toon you have that EVER used a rez shine or ever released
    because they died...and had at least one left higher than level 12...then you play better than me.

    But if you don't...then your builds are far more crippled than mine. :-P
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatherpirate View Post
    not sure how fixing the broken summon scrolls would mean that I have crippled builds ?
    You said:

    Quote Originally Posted by fatherpirate View Post
    2 builds crippled over a simple bug you guys have failed to fix.
    I and others before me offered suggestions for how you could not be "crippled" in the meantime. You can continue to be snippy about that as you will, I was just offering a suggestion that could ameliorate your present difficulties as I don't think we'll see that fixed anytime soon.

    You're using a repeater on a druid or other caster? That sounds interesting. How effective, aside from your bolt issue, are you finding it? I've wondered about that for PLs, the non-extra feat classes appear to not have the feats for effective repeater use.

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    ok, I will give you that one..not crippled

    I will call it, inventory space nerfed :-P
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatherpirate View Post
    Regular bolts stack in 100, even in a thin quiver they only stack 400
    summoned bolts stack in 1000

    so, if I summon 2000 bolts (very common amount for a repeater in a large dungeon) it takes up
    1 space in the ready spot and 1 in my inventory

    ok regular bolts 2000
    100 in the ready
    400 in the ready quiver
    400 in next quiver 1 inventory spot
    400 in next quiver 2 inventory spots
    400 in next quiver 3 inventory spots
    300 in next quiver 4 inventory spots

    summoned bolts 1 inventory spot
    regular 4 inventory spots

    also, when quiver 1 runs out...you can't fire
    you have to open up inventory and manually switch quivers
    while 3 orcs chew on you

    with summoned, first 1000 done, it auto loads the next 1000

    That is why summoned bolts are better than regular ones, if you use a repeater
    You can have a hotbar with quivers on it, and when the top quiver runs out, click the next one down. Its the same as swapping a weapon. Compare that to having to use a summon scroll in the middle of battle.

    While having no bug is better than something being bugged, I wouldnt call any build crippled due to summon bolt scrolls not working.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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