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    Default Magister : "Master of school" and "Specialist school" need to be reversed

    Follow me on this: Magister Tree:

    1-Specialist school +3 to DC
    2-Augmentation school, added effect upon cast
    3-Familiarity with school -15% Cooldowns (can only afford -10% with 24 points maxed out)
    4-Master of School +3 to caster level and maximum caster level (essentially useless for a wizard, as even if you wanted to boost evocation it would be simpler and cheaper to Twist the sorc +3 to caster lvl/maximum caster level or +2 to caster level/maximum caster level AND +20% Damage boxes). (cant even afford it, but even if I could it's useless as above)

    To get multiple ranks of a higher tier requires the same number of ranks in all the previous tiers I.E. to get master of school to rank 3 requires 3 points in all of familiarity 3 in augmentation and 3 of specialist.

    Further, at 24 points per destiny there are simply not enough points to max out master of school anyway without giving up all tier 6 abilities (-10% SP costs or the final +1 int/cha) AND also skipping the spell pen box entirely.

    +3 DC's is the most significant box in the magister Tree. It should not be available at tier2 and easily twistable by other classes. Master of school is currently nearly useless as it is a waste of points. Even if there were enough points to reach 3/3 in master of school it is overshadowed by twisting the tier 3-4 sorc boxes


    Ironically, until this is fixed the SORC tree is actually better for necro specced wizards: Full sorc tree and +3 DC's +3 Spell Pen and 1 other twist of your choice VS. Full wizard tree and +30% element dmg, +3 spell pen and +20% secondary element
    A necro specced wizard using SORC destiny does MORE dmg, while retaining SAME DC's. The only difference is Maybe maybe the -10% SP costs if you can even afford that considering that the best I could do is to get to tier2 (-10% cooldowns) and getting that would require you to skip spell pen box entirely. With 24 points and a maxed out tree, most builds won't even bother picking up the "master of school" for the laughable +1 to caster level.

    Edit: Having put more thought into it, I'm not sure that reversing the boxes fixes this problem at all, as everyone else can still simply twist +3 DC's even if it was at tier5 and then wizards would end up foregoing tier6 abilities to max it out in their own tree.

    -I think that one way to fix it might be to have Master of school add +3 more to DC's (so magister could potentially reach +6 to DC's vs +3 for everyone else).
    Note that FVS can already get +5 to Evocation (Twisting 3 from magister and 2 Evo from draconic incarnation).

    -Also remove the prerequisites so that only 1 rank is required in each prerequisited to reach the next one instead of 3 ranks to reach 3 ranks of the next.
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    For reference -10% cooldowns is 54 seconds on wail vs 60 and 7 seconds on finger vs 8.

    For all realistic purposes, this is basically negligible.

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    The more I think about this, the more I am tempted to TR Into a FVS or Sorc.
    Everyone just twists the +DC's from wizard tree and ends up with roughly the same DC as a wizard (2 less from not being Archmage or PM).

    Hardly matters if Wiz has 52 or so DC when FVS has 56 DC (4 extra from 3xSorcPL, 2twist draconic incarnation and 1 alchemical -2AM/PM) and sorc has 46 DC (6 less -1capstone, -2AM/PM, -2for feats and potentially -1 if WF).

    Then sorc gets faster cast, less cooldowns, cheap SLAs, and increased damage and more SP. Hell the sorc can just twist the cooldown AND the DC boxes from the wizard tree.

    And don't even get me started on how ridiculous it is that FVS can stack +3 Evo from sorc past lives and on top of that they get another 2 free Evo from Sorc tree twist and then another 3 DC from wizard tree twist.
    On top of that can splash 1 monk for +2 wis in ocean stance and another +2 wis from alchemical wisdom

    FVS actually ends up with HIGHER dc than a wizard now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydamage View Post
    The more I think about this, the more I am tempted to TR Into a FVS or Sorc.
    Everyone just twists the +DC's from wizard tree and ends up with roughly the same DC as a wizard (2 less from not being Archmage or PM).

    Hardly matters if Wiz has 52 or so DC when FVS has 56 DC (4 extra from 3xSorcPL, 2twist draconic incarnation and 1 alchemical -2AM/PM) and sorc has 46 DC (6 less -1capstone, -2AM/PM, -2for feats and potentially -1 if WF).

    Then sorc gets faster cast, less cooldowns, cheap SLAs, and increased damage and more SP. Hell the sorc can just twist the cooldown AND the DC boxes from the wizard tree.

    And don't even get me started on how ridiculous it is that FVS can stack +3 Evo from sorc past lives and on top of that they get another 2 free Evo from Sorc tree twist and then another 3 DC from wizard tree twist.
    On top of that can splash 1 monk for +2 wis in ocean stance and another +2 wis from alchemical wisdom

    FVS actually ends up with HIGHER dc than a wizard now.
    Chill. Haven't done calculations, but if sorcs can only hit 46, they'll have quite a rough time.

    Wizards have more necro spells that rely on DCs than FVS have for Evocation.

    Also, tier 6 magister -10% costs is bugged, seemingly applying -5% and not stacking with other sources, such as Petitioner. There, you just got yourself 2 points!

    I'm all for easy ability twisting. A good way to make the game much more fun, and I'm perfectly fine with a FVS having higher DCs than my Wizard. In the place where those are wanted (epic elites), they'll still want some CC at least
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    I love how you throw this out like everyone and their dog has put 3 Sorc PLs into their FvS.

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    Haahahahahahahah

    Let's see. My evoker has a long ****** grind through a whole bunch of useless melee trees. In order to get Dcs. On top of which I have one evoker instakill the rest necro which makes them hard to use.

    Be assured that my wizard will be more fun and powerful than my fvs, hands down. Right now even my arti in draconic smokes my fvs in EA. so please tr from wiz to evoker fvs just to cry about the spell choices and the grind with the rest of us.

    Wizards have more spells. Better choices for debuff, cc, instakill. Easier to get Dcs high for all of them. Form, can fit in the feats (even if I want to say boo to raid healing forever I can barely fit necro and evoker feats), have better nukes and you don't cry when you have enemies you cannot instakill but also don't move.
    And wizards don't have to grind destinies that hard.


    You have it good. But maybe you'd know this if you stopped staring at numbers and actually played an evoker. Gimme cod, fod, pwk, wail, disco, nice dps spells and ability to swap at a shrine... damn that sounds so much more powerful than the uber Dcs on my one instakill spell!
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    Nope, I like my +3 chosen school twistable, and early at that, given how much more time we are going to spend outside of our main tree just to gather xp on otherwise very weak destinies.

    Also, have fun on your necro specced sorc. Necro dcs are only half the way, you still need a buttload of spell pen to make it usable on epics, and the wiz past lives alone are not going to make that work. You'll have to sacrifice either some of you dcs or metamagic feats if you still want to be able to use all that stuff against drow, which are in about every epic quest now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydamage View Post
    4-Master of School +3 to caster level and maximum caster level (essentially useless for a wizard, as even if you wanted to boost evocation it would be simpler and cheaper to Twist the sorc +3 to caster lvl/maximum caster level or +2 to caster level/maximum caster level AND +20% Damage boxes). (cant even afford it, but even if I could it's useless as above)
    You do realize that +3 caster level is basically +3 spell penetration? I'd say that's far from useless with necro or enchantment spec.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ertay View Post
    Also, have fun on your necro specced sorc. Necro dcs are only half the way, you still need a buttload of spell pen to make it usable on epics, and the wiz past lives alone are not going to make that work. You'll have to sacrifice either some of you dcs or metamagic feats if you still want to be able to use all that stuff against drow, which are in about every epic quest now.
    And how high is their spell res exaclty? Because I can get around 42-46 spell pen on my own wizard (only 2 wizard PL's), I doubt their spell res is much higher than 50-55 and that already gives a pretty nice chance to get through it.

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