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    Default Epic Hard ADQ2 Solo

    I just had to try one of my favourite raids after the update :-)
    I solo'd this before on Epic on my Evoker back in U9+U10. As of U13 I tried a couple of times but could not get it done (though my current FvS is Str based and therefore not optimal).

    But yea, I would say Epic Hard is back to what was Epic back in U10 (very easy for a full Raid Group).

    As for Epic Elite..if it's correct what people are saying and Epic Elite is harder now than what was Epic on U13, well she must be a beast then. I guess I better get to level to 25 now and get my destinies before even trying






    As for reference - thats what I could do 4 days ago before MotU. Took me 30 minutes to get her to 45% and still died horribly painful



    (Oh and no pots were harmed during this run)
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    Well done Eth.

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    I know that you meant well in that solo run and I want to praise you, but ANYONE could do it!

    Epic Hard is currently broken in my eyes.

    Want to know why? My barbarian spent the last night soloing multiple epic hard runs in Phiarlan Carnival, VoN series, Lords of Dust, and Red Fens with a FVS hireling. He never broke a sweat.

    Epic Hard Lords of Dust traps? 30-40 damage tops when saved against. 100 damage with a failed reflex save. That same trap on Heroic Elite does 250 damage on a failed save.

    Karas, the drow boss? He does maybe 50 damage at the most on Epic Hard. I literally stood there and let him pelt me. I only have -10% damage reduction, so figure that one out. On the old epic, he did 100-150 damage per strike and you needed Displacement to tank him.

    The only time I died was during epic hard VoN 3 and ONLY because the devs through in a nasty surprise that was never there in any of the old difficulties: The 3 champions rushing through the door to bash my face in! Had I known the beholder was gonna charge through that door, I wouldn't have had my ass level drained to oblivion.

    The Snitch on Epic Hard? Pff... more like running a Heroic Hard level quest. Monsters have 2000, maybe 4000 HP tops. That same quest on Epic Elite? I get killed in the front door.

    Epic Casual, Epic Normal, and Epic Hard have their scaling bugged up the wazoo. Epic Elite is the only one that's working properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wraith_Sarevok View Post

    The Snitch on Epic Hard? Pff... more like running a Heroic Hard level quest.
    That's because the Epic Hard IS the equivalent of a Heroic Hard level quest at-level, therefore it scales as such. For example since epics require level 20+, Epic Hard is basically a level 20 quest on hard difficulty. Epic Elite is the old epic difficulty with a slight buff.

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    Lailat is a b*tch at any level.

    Gratz to the OP

    Regarding the new Epic levels - ran my 20 Cleric though the Rift quest at level 21, and it was a cakewalk. It was probably about the same level of difficulty as running around Amrath.

    That's not criticism, by the way. I imagine Epic Elite would be much harder, and hopefully the XP and loot would scale appropriately. It's nice to have more difficulty options now for high-end content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wraith_Sarevok View Post
    I know that you meant well in that solo run and I want to praise you, but ANYONE could do it!

    Epic Hard is currently broken in my eyes.

    Want to know why? My barbarian spent the last night soloing multiple epic hard runs in Phiarlan Carnival, VoN series, Lords of Dust, and Red Fens with a FVS hireling. He never broke a sweat.

    Epic Hard Lords of Dust traps? 30-40 damage tops when saved against. 100 damage with a failed reflex save. That same trap on Heroic Elite does 250 damage on a failed save.

    Karas, the drow boss? He does maybe 50 damage at the most on Epic Hard. I literally stood there and let him pelt me. I only have -10% damage reduction, so figure that one out. On the old epic, he did 100-150 damage per strike and you needed Displacement to tank him.

    The only time I died was during epic hard VoN 3 and ONLY because the devs through in a nasty surprise that was never there in any of the old difficulties: The 3 champions rushing through the door to bash my face in! Had I known the beholder was gonna charge through that door, I wouldn't have had my ass level drained to oblivion.

    The Snitch on Epic Hard? Pff... more like running a Heroic Hard level quest. Monsters have 2000, maybe 4000 HP tops. That same quest on Epic Elite? I get killed in the front door.

    Epic Casual, Epic Normal, and Epic Hard have their scaling bugged up the wazoo. Epic Elite is the only one that's working properly.
    Yep, I don't disagree at all.
    Main difference was that I saw a lot of misses now (AC being 65ish). And her damage even when she hit me was like half.
    Still her HP are about what it was in U10 (took me 14min this run, back than about 15).

    In U13 I could tank her very well and keep myself healed between her attacks. What got me back then, was when there were more then one Efreeti on me together with her.
    But now even the efreetis miss a lot, so didnt even bother to kill them.

    I wouldnt call hard broken though, although the scaling between hard and elite is a bit off. Seems like there's missing like one step between those.
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    Epic hard and epic normal are a total joke. Did an evon6 in a group that mighta wiped old evon6, and she breathed once. for about 100damage after resists

    Epic elite is pretty darn tough.

    Soloed it before epac, THAT was tough, epic-hard is pretty easy just about anyone with some damage mitigation and self healing can do it.


    An epic elite solo is worthy of posting. Elite-hard isn't worth posting unless something else is at play (melee, super fast time, were halfling, only used vendor trash, had gum on your shoe, etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMechMan View Post
    Epic hard and epic normal are a total joke. Did an evon6 in a group that mighta wiped old evon6, and she breathed once. for about 100damage after resists

    Epic elite is pretty darn tough.

    Soloed it before epac, THAT was tough, epic-hard is pretty easy just about anyone with some damage mitigation and self healing can do it.


    An epic elite solo is worthy of posting. Elite-hard isn't worth posting unless something else is at play (melee, super fast time, were halfling, only used vendor trash, had gum on your shoe, etc).
    Hm, did anyone solo this on Epic as of U12 or U13? Never read someone post it (which doesn't mean no one did it).
    Well yes, that would be very impressive. If you did, my hat is off to you.
    As for the updates before (U9-U11). Yes it was a bit tougher, than this one on Epic hard (more incoming damage). Much tougher? I don't know. Could solo it back then every 3 days on my first life FvS without much trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wraith_Sarevok View Post
    I know that you meant well in that solo run and I want to praise you, but ANYONE could do it!
    Go do it. Now. Then come back. I know of some quite skilled players who still couldn't get it done on a Palemaster on Epic Normal (sure, PM is far from optimal to do this, but meh). I'm quite sure you can't do it. Prove me wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wraith_Sarevok View Post
    The only time I died was during epic hard VoN 3 and ONLY because the devs through in a nasty surprise that was never there in any of the old difficulties: The 3 champions rushing through the door to bash my face in! Had I known the beholder was gonna charge through that door, I wouldn't have had my ass level drained to oblivion.
    Didn't happen to me. Maybe you are a bad puller?


    Nevertheless, I'll say epic hard is easier than old epics, even if it's just due to prestiges currently buffing us up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eth View Post
    Hm, did anyone solo this on Epic as of U12 or U13? Never read someone post it (which doesn't mean no one did it).
    Well yes, that would be very impressive. If you did, my hat is off to you.
    As for the updates before (U9-U11). Yes it was a bit tougher, than this one on Epic hard (more incoming damage). Much tougher? I don't know. Could solo it back then every 3 days on my first life FvS without much trouble.
    Potless. Only issue was clearing the first hallway. The queen herself hits for 10-15 through shieldmastery leviks+divine power+docent of defiance 47 DR. She is the perfect torc sp battery. When they added in the cometfalls I simply made sure I had 41+ reflex when she was throwing up gangsigns-a combination of Eswashbuckler, +10 reflex docent, GH and holy aura means that can push 50 selfbuffed reflex so doesn't eve eed everything to get +41. Even an unlucky 1 is survivable.

    Only real issue is the telekineses...really glad they changed the portals on epic so that can get back up.

    Did a hard epic dq2 yesterday. Not solo, as wanted to see how it was. Well, she literally cannot pass my DR. She used to hit for 50-70 before shield mastery before...now she hits for a good 15-20 points less. She hits about as hard as ELITE dq2 to be honest, and not many more HP.

    Hard epic is a shadow of former pre xpac epic. It is not even comparable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoloPhalanx View Post
    Go do it. Now. Then come back. I know of some quite skilled players who still couldn't get it done on a Palemaster on Epic Normal (sure, PM is far from optimal to do this, but meh). I'm quite sure you can't do it. Prove me wrong.



    Didn't happen to me. Maybe you are a bad puller?


    Nevertheless, I'll say epic hard is easier than old epics, even if it's just due to prestiges currently buffing us up
    Honestly, he is right. Hard epic is a joke. Scaling or SOMETHING is messed up because melee damage is almost nothing.

    As for evon3, same thing happened to me. Beholder was waiting at door. Not every run, but 2 times. He tends to wander now.

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    if epic hard is too easy for you then go in on epic elite. there are choices for difficulties. while epic hard may be too "easy" for you personally there is always the next level of epic elite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMechMan View Post
    Potless. Only issue was clearing the first hallway. The queen herself hits for 10-15 through shieldmastery leviks+divine power+docent of defiance 47 DR. She is the perfect torc sp battery. When they added in the cometfalls I simply made sure I had 41+ reflex when she was throwing up gangsigns-a combination of Eswashbuckler, +10 reflex docent, GH and holy aura means that can push 50 selfbuffed reflex so doesn't eve eed everything to get +41. Even an unlucky 1 is survivable.

    Only real issue is the telekineses...really glad they changed the portals on epic so that can get back up.

    Did a hard epic dq2 yesterday. Not solo, as wanted to see how it was. Well, she literally cannot pass my DR. She used to hit for 50-70 before shield mastery before...now she hits for a good 15-20 points less. She hits about as hard as ELITE dq2 to be honest, and not many more HP.

    Hard epic is a shadow of former pre xpac epic. It is not even comparable.
    Wow, that is in fact impressive. So with DoD and improved shield mastery I guess you just took the hits of 3 Efreetis + Queen altogether? I couldnt do that on my build, don't have improved shield mastery and obviously not WF, but it's not built for tanking, so i didn't wanted to switch those feats just for one raid (I also lack a bit on HP too..).
    On the other hand I had no problem clearing the hallway. Just melee'd through it, heh.
    For telekinesis I never found that to much of a problem. Just jump back to the middle after you dot her and she won't throw you off. Might just be unlucky when she hits you right when running towards her. Or can you not move at all with DoD proc (I never tried it out)?
    Cometfalls worked OK for me too. 38 Reflex save + winging through them always worked for me.

    I just could never take the Efreeti damage in addition with hers and kiting Efreetis through low DC Blade Barriers is just a PITA with their frequent respawn.


    Well who knows - gotta get a look into epic destinies and to level 25 and see how elite goes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eth View Post
    Wow, that is in fact impressive. So with DoD and improved shield mastery I guess you just took the hits of 3 Efreetis + Queen altogether? I couldnt do that on my build, don't have improved shield mastery and obviously not WF, but it's not built for tanking, so i didn't wanted to switch those feats just for one raid (I also lack a bit on HP too..).
    On the other hand I had no problem clearing the hallway. Just melee'd through it, heh.
    For telekinesis I never found that to much of a problem. Just jump back to the middle after you dot her and she won't throw you off. Might just be unlucky when she hits you right when running towards her. Or can you not move at all with DoD proc (I never tried it out)?
    Cometfalls worked OK for me too. 38 Reflex save + winging through them always worked for me.

    I just could never take the Efreeti damage in addition with hers and kiting Efreetis through low DC Blade Barriers is just a PITA with their frequent respawn.


    Well who knows - gotta get a look into epic destinies and to level 25 and see how elite goes
    The efreets honestly do more damage than she does. She hits way faster but they hit harder. Can move with DoD but very slowly. Can tumble quickly but often crippled so cannot.

    Not much melee on my build (though just made ESOS so that might change) so basically reduced to BB kiting the first hallway.

    Telekinesis-well was living on the other side of the world so had 300 minimum latency-made them tough to predict.

    Also was wis based so BB was fairly effective vs efreet-but usually just tanked them and had them die off from guards.

    I'll probably try elite solo at some point but hard to elite sounds like a big jump in difficulty. Going from snoozefest epic hard to really really tough on epic elite is a bit strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMechMan View Post
    The efreets honestly do more damage than she does. She hits way faster but they hit harder. Can move with DoD but very slowly. Can tumble quickly but often crippled so cannot.

    Not much melee on my build (though just made ESOS so that might change) so basically reduced to BB kiting the first hallway.

    Telekinesis-well was living on the other side of the world so had 300 minimum latency-made them tough to predict.

    Also was wis based so BB was fairly effective vs efreet-but usually just tanked them and had them die off from guards.

    I'll probably try elite solo at some point but hard to elite sounds like a big jump in difficulty. Going from snoozefest epic hard to really really tough on epic elite is a bit strange.
    Thx for the head's up...just one more thing - how many shields did you bring? I had an Ada Ritual II Madstone Shield + Ada Ritual I Lorriks and this still didn't seem to be enough. After 20 minutes in battle my madstone broke already while she was still at 50% (maybe I was just to slow though, because I bothered a lot with killing the efreetis..).

    For Epic Elite now the Unyielding Sentinel Destiny seems like worth a look for tanking while shield blocking. Also getting AC up might help a lot in there...
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    Ada rit III leviks.
    No rit Eswashbuckler.

    With guards and teir V condemnation and DP with maxed enhancements she goes down very fast even on epic.


    Evon6 n/h are jokes, too. Velah is like CR26 or something silly and can die without breathing fire in just about any group.

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