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    I have two STR Rogues, and I expect both to go LDread instead. Neither have enough DEX to get Improved SA, which means I have two epic feats open too.

    Any STR Rogue out there really considering going for Shadowdancer? What do you guys plan on your Epic feats?
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    Quote Originally Posted by arroyo View Post
    I have two STR Rogues, and I expect both to go LDread instead. Neither have enough DEX to get Improved SA, which means I have two epic feats open too.

    Any STR Rogue out there really considering going for Shadowdancer? What do you guys plan on your Epic feats?
    I haven't made any decisions yet, going to wait a while.

    For SD it seems that besides the lowest rank there is a decent amount of things to spend points on even on a strength rogue (and so avoiding all the dex/int enhancements and dex/int DC based abilities).

    I'm considering LR'ing into a finesse/balanced build to qualify for the SA feat but might wait for a +3/+4 dex tome to help qualify for it (a +4 dex tome would mean -2 strength for +3d6 SA or +6d6 SA if the feat can be taken twice).
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    Well, I tried to LR my Drow Rogue in Beta just to frustrate myself being stuck in the LR Airship, so I couldn't try Improved SA feat (or the possibility of taking it twice).

    Since she has more +3 tomes than my Human, I'll likely free LR my Drow with STR 14 / DEX 18 base (which is the opposite of what I have currently) and go for STR Level-ups still.

    During Beta Phase4, I enjoyed LDread more than Shadowdancer anyway, though I might want to cap both for Twists and Fate Points. Also, the new passive Dodge bonuses weren't available to me before the LR (which I never completed), so I guess LRing will be mandatory in Live too.

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    I'm pondering shadowdancer for my rogue when I get it back up to the appropriate levels, but more for the extra passive sneak attack bonuses and a few of the tricks, but I'm liable to spend time on LD and GoF for their benefits as well.

    As for Improved Sneak Attack--I wonder how popular this will be for non-finesse builds that don't have the +3/+4 tome and 2+ TRs for extra build points that are needed to make the 21 Dex reasonable to reach.

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    im gonna lr my human str rogue for starting stats 16/18/15/10/8/8. good thing i got 36 pointer on her. with +3 dex tome i got req dex for imp SA feats. everything else stays the same.

    SD is good, but i need to check FoF and FS before i make a final decision for my rogue. all sound good. gonna depend on twists also.

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    I was just going to LR and trade some base INT for DEX and grab the extra sneak attack feats. I can get the INT modifier back from the destiny.

    My big question is whether or not I stick with slashing weapons or switch to rapiers.
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    Going to try out both. Going str based while still getting enough dex for the epic feat is an option too for a 36p build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantumFX View Post
    My big question is whether or not I stick with slashing weapons or switch to rapiers.
    For those like me that are still trying to get informed and understand the new stuff - what's in the new stuff that makes the rapiers potentially attractive over the slashers, and is it something that could be useful to classes other than rogue (say a fighter/rogue multiclass)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS-Makk View Post
    For those like me that are still trying to get informed and understand the new stuff - what's in the new stuff that makes the rapiers potentially attractive over the slashers, and is it something that could be useful to classes other than rogue (say a fighter/rogue multiclass)?

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    The T4 Shadowdancer auto-grant adds a 3% chance to double strike with finesse-capable weapons, which leaves rapier as the highest base damage option.

    Edit: Of course, none of the other Shadowdancer abilities require finesse weapons, so if switching to rapiers represents enough of a damage loss, there's no reason to change weapons if you don't want to.
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    LD seems a very poor choice for a rogue to me and shadowdancer does not inspire me much at all (but i may try it with my artificer).

    i was actually considering going fury of the wild with my rogue. it provides a big chunk of hp, quite a few flat damage effects, a fort debuff and single target CC (via adrenaline). also since adrenaline is the same effect as a damage boost it should apply to SA damage.

    the only problem is the grind involved to open it up and lately i don't really feel like grinding much.

    the easily accessible alternative is GoF since my rogue is unarmed with a monk splash.

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    Well, my DEX +3'd Rogue is a first lifer, and my Human 36pt hasn't pulled her DEX +3 yet. I might consider spending some TP for that, since +3 Tomes are on store for good.

    Extra SA damage is, well, SA damage. With all flaws we learned to deal with. Of course +12d6 from SD5 and 2 Improved SA feats would rock... where SA lands, anyway. That's what's keeping me a bit away from it. It's 25% Incorporeality, +7% Dodge (charging required) and Energy Drain immunity the big selling points, imho.

    LD on the other hand has good synergy with Rogue Boosts, frees up some Heroic AP if you choose to pick LD Haste Boost, and increase all Boost counters at once. Add in the interesting Crit Range / Damage bonuses and Advancing Blows (kinda easy to keep with Rogue DPS/KC), but unfortunately those are at very high Tiers, rendering them unavailable or really hard to Twist.

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    Will level SDancer then will move to fighter destiny. Not sure if I will LR into Dex Rog.
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