One example would be: Yes, you are absolutely right, we should stop calling everyone with a different opinion than our own haters and then expect them to behave in our threads afterwards. We clearly see now that respect isnt a one way street. Thanks for the heads up.
Another example: Yes, I see what you are saying about PVP being more attractive to outsiders when we arent on the boards calling for nerfs of everything about everyone elses class we cant counter on our own builds, or reporting everyone that beats us in game because we were crowd controlled for longer than 5 seconds on the dot.
Last edited by Chai; 06-25-2012 at 02:23 PM.
Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.
Fine do so then however, then all Ottos apart from the mass spell must have longer timeouts. High level wizards just use it repeatedly on low levels and they can never get away. The Otto spell should then also be considered griefing. Bards must be able to use it!!! Because they are a mix between magic and mellee, they cant do alot of damage in either or rather: a bard cant do as much DPS as a fighter and he cant do the same damage as a sorc or wizard. So getting close to either of those in PVP will prove to be deadly for the bard. Let them have their fascinate.
I love how most of these people would never consider having a bard in a party or play one as they are viewed as weak, but when put up against one in PvP they ae all of a sudden OP.
I just wish disjunction was allowed in pvp. If nukes gear, only players have gear, but it cant be used on players even in pvp... Kinda messed up.
But Truth is eternal, so it can never be old or new. It never ‘was’ or ‘will be.’ It just ‘is.’ It always ‘is.’
Your blatantly mistaken my dear friend, Virtuoso not good in PVE ? He is not CC?
Have you heard about Otto's and Entrall, Suggestion and Perform that is maxed out on a Virtuoso?
They are most wanted in Epics, cause they can give 3 min regeneration songs, which will not be debuffed by any Beholders or whatever spells. Who needs a spellsinger for the casters anyways. Let them use a stinkin pot.
They have the highest CC in the game, they annihilate wizards with their entrall and can control 10's upon 10's of mobs.
Clearly man, you have no clue about the game, really amazing to read your post.
Come to Ghallanda, NP, I'll teach you a thing or two, inside pvp, or outside.
Bards Virtuoso's bad in PVE hjahahahahahhaahhahahaha hilarious man! hilarious !!!!
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I don’t believe that a Bard using his/her given talents to kill a foe in PvP is the problem, the problem is when they use said talents so simply incapacitate another player...without killing them.
Make me dance and then kill me, I have no problem with that. Make me dance for minutes on end, with no intention of otherwise damaging me...well that is just grieving.
Apparently, the OP never PVP'ed in NWN1.
Bigby spells anyone? Talk about frustrating.
Jyn... Kender... Thelanis
*Insert clever comment here*
When a monk uses this ability to kill those that would normally just run and jump in circles around the pit, shooting and DoT'ing him...they deserve it. Those that are collateral damage can take solace in the fact that PvP means nothing in this game, outside the brawling pit, and they now have the perk of walking around invisible for a while, from the bug that occurs after having been erased from the multiverse.
Anyway... to the OP...
That's just stupid. There should be NO RULES in PvP, and there should be no class balance towards PvP either.
If you thinks it's OP, build a virtuoso bard. See how much fun they are (hint, not so much).
Then try to pwn PvP (hint, you won't).
Get a PLIS, Mantle, and Phiarlan Shield, you'll be fine. Or range. Or play DDO. Or if you MUST PvP, get a private instance and post an LFM. Hell, if you really want, your LFM can even leave out bards.
If he's just getting danced continuously and not attacked then this is 100% griefing. There is no Verses happening, the bard isn't trying to "win" the fight.
If he's getting danced and beat down continuously by the Bard or others then certainly this would not be griefing. He's just getting beaten.
From the posts it sounds like #1 is what is happening. If that is the case then report the guy doing it. You may be surprised to find out that the GM's will agree and give the warning / ban to the Bard, but really you shouldn't be.
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