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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    It always makes me laugh when every pvp thread in the pvp forum is populated mainly by people who are concerned only with what goes on in the pit, dont use 90% of all PVP features, and are harping about nerfing someone elses class and reporting the player if the other guy wins. Chaining dance is not against PVP rules as long as the other player is killing your toon. Its only against the rules if they chain it and dont kill.

    Its even more hilarious when the people labeled "haters" know more about the other PVP features in the game than some people who claim to like PVP and want more of it.

    Amazing how terrible most bards are? Amazing how terrible 98% of the build options are. The minute I try to engage anyone else in some good ol fashioned PVP, regardless of class, and win, people have to run off and log their 18 [caster] 2 [evasion] build on and clown everyone else who is participating. If I win they are either reporting due to some presupposed cheap tactic used (definition of "cheap" being something they cant counter), or logging their epiced out caster on and taking over. This is the single biggest reason why its not as fun as alot of you think it could be. Some people cant handle loss and they will try to go as far as getting your class nerfed or getting you banned for somehow breaking the rules (rule broken = zomg you beat me!!!! /report) if you win too often using the same tactic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dribble View Post
    What in the world are you yapping about now? You spouted so much hyperbole from your random soapbox, there is no logical reply other than ""
    What I am referring to is pretty easy to deduce. There is no logical rebuttal, but there are plenty of logical replies.

    One example would be: Yes, you are absolutely right, we should stop calling everyone with a different opinion than our own haters and then expect them to behave in our threads afterwards. We clearly see now that respect isnt a one way street. Thanks for the heads up.

    Another example: Yes, I see what you are saying about PVP being more attractive to outsiders when we arent on the boards calling for nerfs of everything about everyone elses class we cant counter on our own builds, or reporting everyone that beats us in game because we were crowd controlled for longer than 5 seconds on the dot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bartosy View Post
    against song of capering theres always a 5% chance you will save .. is it possible to stunlock people in pvp.. sure is but then again.. what do you think enervation + stone to flesh does.. ? its the same thing and can be utilized by many classes .. or enervation command.. or whatever floats your boat..

    bards in general are a weak pvp class tho.. unless you roll virtuoso.. then its a strong pvp class.. but virts suck in pve.. and because this game is mainly 99% pve.. only a select few who either take pvp seriously.. (lol ) or find solid cc in epics needed..

    if you are talking about fascinate.. fascinate has been nerfed down tremendously.. i know its lame but i rolled a lot of bards.. and have been known to stunlock at least 10 peopel at a time in pvp.. since bards cant do meaningfull damage compared to melee or casters this was the only fun i could have in pvp..


    fascinate has been nerfed a few patched ago tho.. now you get saves every 3 seconds.. its not half as powerful as it used to be.. when fascinate could mean you be locked down there for 5+ minutes lol...
    I have a 20 bard virt with full AA, 76 perform, and while he doesn't do the damage of a barbarian, he can out CC any other class in the game, and when he does throw down with a bow, usually just for boss fights or a little pvp, he can be quite deadly to any class in the pit.....
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    Exclamation Fine do so then however

    Fine do so then however, then all Ottos apart from the mass spell must have longer timeouts. High level wizards just use it repeatedly on low levels and they can never get away. The Otto spell should then also be considered griefing. Bards must be able to use it!!! Because they are a mix between magic and mellee, they cant do alot of damage in either or rather: a bard cant do as much DPS as a fighter and he cant do the same damage as a sorc or wizard. So getting close to either of those in PVP will prove to be deadly for the bard. Let them have their fascinate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by publicen3my View Post
    I don't think Bards songs should be aloud in PvP. You can dance a lower level forever with a high level bard, and I don't think its quite fair. You can't log or /death so basically your stuck untill someone kills you or it wears off.
    I dont think you should be allowed in pvp. Seems you cant take it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diroctive View Post
    I think he's talking about Song of Capering, where the preform skill determines the save dc, where you'll need a will save of at least... according to my calculations, a will save of at least 264 to save on a roll of 19.
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    I love how most of these people would never consider having a bard in a party or play one as they are viewed as weak, but when put up against one in PvP they ae all of a sudden OP.

    LOL. Priceless

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    I just wish disjunction was allowed in pvp. If nukes gear, only players have gear, but it cant be used on players even in pvp... Kinda messed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bartosy View Post
    against song of capering theres always a 5% chance you will save .. is it possible to stunlock people in pvp.. sure is but then again.. what do you think enervation + stone to flesh does.. ? its the same thing and can be utilized by many classes .. or enervation command.. or whatever floats your boat..

    bards in general are a weak pvp class tho.. unless you roll virtuoso.. then its a strong pvp class.. but virts suck in pve.. and because this game is mainly 99% pve.. only a select few who either take pvp seriously.. (lol ) or find solid cc in epics needed..

    if you are talking about fascinate.. fascinate has been nerfed down tremendously.. i know its lame but i rolled a lot of bards.. and have been known to stunlock at least 10 peopel at a time in pvp.. since bards cant do meaningfull damage compared to melee or casters this was the only fun i could have in pvp..

    fascinate has been nerfed a few patched ago tho.. now you get saves every 3 seconds.. its not half as powerful as it used to be.. when fascinate could mean you be locked down there for 5+ minutes lol...



    WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA??

    Your blatantly mistaken my dear friend, Virtuoso not good in PVE ? He is not CC?
    Have you heard about Otto's and Entrall, Suggestion and Perform that is maxed out on a Virtuoso?

    Lols...

    They are most wanted in Epics, cause they can give 3 min regeneration songs, which will not be debuffed by any Beholders or whatever spells. Who needs a spellsinger for the casters anyways. Let them use a stinkin pot.

    They have the highest CC in the game, they annihilate wizards with their entrall and can control 10's upon 10's of mobs.
    Clearly man, you have no clue about the game, really amazing to read your post.

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    I don’t believe that a Bard using his/her given talents to kill a foe in PvP is the problem, the problem is when they use said talents so simply incapacitate another player...without killing them.

    Make me dance and then kill me, I have no problem with that. Make me dance for minutes on end, with no intention of otherwise damaging me...well that is just grieving.

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    Apparently, the OP never PVP'ed in NWN1.

    Bigby spells anyone? Talk about frustrating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HongKongKid View Post
    a bard cant do as much DPS as a fighter and he cant do the same damage as a sorc or wizard.
    Actually there are some different ways to achieve dps on a bard. 1) You can deal up to ~600 dmg with Greater Shout spell + a bit less dmg from other sonic spells. 2) You can get Manyshot and AA PrE and deal even more dmg. 3) You can even mix both of those to do Manyshot+Slayers and meanwhile damaging with spells 4) Melee bards can also Caper you and melee you to death. Please do not underestimate bards, there is always a way to achieve dps, cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    It always makes me laugh when every pvp thread in the pvp forum is populated mainly by people who are concerned only with what goes on in the pit, dont use 90% of all PVP features, and are harping about nerfing someone elses class and reporting the player if the other guy wins. Chaining dance is not against PVP rules as long as the other player is killing your toon. Its only against the rules if they chain it and dont kill.

    Its even more hilarious when the people labeled "haters" know more about the other PVP features in the game than some people who claim to like PVP and want more of it.

    Amazing how terrible most bards are? Amazing how terrible 98% of the build options are. The minute I try to engage anyone else in some good ol fashioned PVP, regardless of class, and win, people have to run off and log their 18 [caster] 2 [evasion] build on and clown everyone else who is participating. If I win they are either reporting due to some presupposed cheap tactic used (definition of "cheap" being something they cant counter), or logging their epiced out caster on and taking over. This is the single biggest reason why its not as fun as alot of you think it could be. Some people cant handle loss and they will try to go as far as getting your class nerfed or getting you banned for somehow breaking the rules (rule broken = zomg you beat me!!!! /report) if you win too often using the same tactic.
    Yeah, like getting on a Monk, charging up EIN then jumping into the pit and clearing the room. Now that's fun and very well balanced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erekose View Post
    Yeah, like getting on a Monk, charging up EIN then jumping into the pit and clearing the room. Now that's fun and very well balanced.
    Or fatesinger, and jumping into the pit using siren's song to stun the target, no save or breaking (and I can't name anyone who would be immune...not even pale masters who would be immune to other songs like fascinate), and 12 seconds later taking a huge amount of sonic damage from chord of disruption

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erekose View Post
    Yeah, like getting on a Monk, charging up EIN then jumping into the pit and clearing the room. Now that's fun and very well balanced.
    It is a lot of fun, and is no different than a caster that sits across the pit and nukes every target that dares jump down from the platform. Melee cannot compete 1 vs 1 with ranged attacks and magic users in a large open room.

    When a monk uses this ability to kill those that would normally just run and jump in circles around the pit, shooting and DoT'ing him...they deserve it. Those that are collateral damage can take solace in the fact that PvP means nothing in this game, outside the brawling pit, and they now have the perk of walking around invisible for a while, from the bug that occurs after having been erased from the multiverse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dribble View Post
    It always makes me laugh when every pvp thread in the pvp forum is populated mainly by people who hate pvp...
    Actually, it's the GAME that is populated by people that hate pvp, the forums just accurately reflect that.

    Anyway... to the OP...

    NO.

    That's just stupid. There should be NO RULES in PvP, and there should be no class balance towards PvP either.

    If you thinks it's OP, build a virtuoso bard. See how much fun they are (hint, not so much).

    Then try to pwn PvP (hint, you won't).

    Get a PLIS, Mantle, and Phiarlan Shield, you'll be fine. Or range. Or play DDO. Or if you MUST PvP, get a private instance and post an LFM. Hell, if you really want, your LFM can even leave out bards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quarterling View Post
    Isn't that considered griefing? Can't you actually report that person?
    NO! This is NOT griefing, it is playing PvP. I wish that GMs had enough balls to ban anyone who reports others for PvPing using the tools given them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countfitz View Post
    NO! This is NOT griefing, it is playing PvP. I wish that GMs had enough balls to ban anyone who reports others for PvPing using the tools given them.
    Sorry pal but if could certainly be greifing.

    If he's just getting danced continuously and not attacked then this is 100% griefing. There is no Verses happening, the bard isn't trying to "win" the fight.

    If he's getting danced and beat down continuously by the Bard or others then certainly this would not be griefing. He's just getting beaten.

    From the posts it sounds like #1 is what is happening. If that is the case then report the guy doing it. You may be surprised to find out that the GM's will agree and give the warning / ban to the Bard, but really you shouldn't be.


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    Quote Originally Posted by publicen3my View Post
    I don't think Bards songs should be aloud in PvP. You can dance a lower level forever with a high level bard, and I don't think its quite fair. You can't log or /death so basically your stuck untill someone kills you or it wears off.
    Hehe, I 'worked hard' to get my song DCs to 108! If you want to counter that, 'work hard' to get your saves up to 80+, invest in magical earplugs, or stay out of the pit.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bartosy View Post
    against song of capering theres always a 5% chance you will save .. is it possible to stunlock people in pvp.. sure is but then again.. what do you think enervation + stone to flesh does.. ? its the same thing and can be utilized by many classes .. or enervation command.. or whatever floats your boat..

    bards in general are a weak pvp class tho.. unless you roll virtuoso.. then its a strong pvp class.. but virts suck in pve.. and because this game is mainly 99% pve.. only a select few who either take pvp seriously.. (lol ) or find solid cc in epics needed..


    if you are talking about fascinate.. fascinate has been nerfed down tremendously.. i know its lame but i rolled a lot of bards.. and have been known to stunlock at least 10 peopel at a time in pvp.. since bards cant do meaningfull damage compared to melee or casters this was the only fun i could have in pvp..

    fascinate has been nerfed a few patched ago tho.. now you get saves every 3 seconds.. its not half as powerful as it used to be.. when fascinate could mean you be locked down there for 5+ minutes lol...
    Don't play a Virt do you?

    A Virt can attain THE highest DCs for CC in the whole game! Sucks in PvE?!? I think not - but maybe true with the Virts you have ran with. The ONLY thing that holds a Virt down is the 5 others in party.

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    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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