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    I don't think Bards songs should be aloud in PvP. You can dance a lower level forever with a high level bard, and I don't think its quite fair. You can't log or /death so basically your stuck untill someone kills you or it wears off.

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    It's PvP.. what does it matter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by publicen3my View Post
    I don't think Bards songs should be aloud in PvP. You can dance a lower level forever with a high level bard, and I don't think its quite fair. You can't log or /death so basically your stuck untill someone kills you or it wears off.
    You may not be able to log, but I'm sure Alt+F4 should still work and in the rare case that they have that disabled, you could always unplug your computer to get out of the situation. In all seriousness, the entire concept of "balancing" pvp is something much larger than bard dances. They can't even get player balance right in PvM right now. As a more practical answer to your immediate problem, I'd think they should make /death work while dancing if it currently does not.
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    It's pvp. Why can't a player utilize all his resources. If you don't like it increase your saves.

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    Isn't that considered griefing? Can't you actually report that person?
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    Quote Originally Posted by publicen3my View Post
    I don't think Bards songs should be aloud in PvP. You can dance a lower level forever with a high level bard, and I don't think its quite fair. You can't log or /death so basically your stuck untill someone kills you or it wears off.
    Then next you will want all cc spells from all classes to be disallowed.

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    Everything that can be used to beat me is a cheap tactic and should be nerfed.

    Everything I built onto my PVP toon is legit.

    Usually what happens is the person who wants bards nerfed then builds one, and they get owned by someone else. Then they are on the boards complaining that whatever ability that owns their bard is OP.

    The slayer arrow debacle of 2011 is a good example. People screaming ZOMG NERF SLAYER ARROWS built AAs, then would carry on about stunning and other CC being a "cheap tactic" when they found out that AAs werent as immortal as they thought in PVP.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdrocky View Post
    It's pvp. Why can't a player utilize all his resources. If you don't like it increase your saves.
    You need about a 60 or 70 will save then; pretty much impossible! A better way to beat bards is by using the shield from house Phiarlan; it absorbs enchantment spells, including songs.

    I do agree that making people dance for minutes is griefing; minutes of dancing seems a bit much for pvp, 10-20 seconds is already long in such a fast paced environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by publicen3my View Post
    I don't think Bards songs should be aloud
    I see what you did there.

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    This is a funny thread. So most threads about bards complain they are so weak compared to other classes and are useless. Yet you are posting that the mean bards are kicking your butt.

    So what kinda alt are you running that the class nerd is beating you up on the playground and stealing your lunch money?

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    if they cant do that then casters shouldnt be able to cast and melee's should be allowed to use any weapons

    and your not allowed to fasinate or dance without trying to kill them as its considered griefing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laurawilder View Post
    This is a funny thread. So most threads about bards complain they are so weak compared to other classes and are useless. Yet you are posting that the mean bards are kicking your butt.

    So what kinda alt are you running that the class nerd is beating you up on the playground and stealing your lunch money?
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    over the years i felt greifed if i was left there dancing, now i find it a perfect time to get up and get somethign to drink and bio, etc, etc.

    The trick is to kill the bard or get far enough away fast enough to avoid it, then kill him. The Philaran shield is nice to ahev as well, and if there noobish they will be scratchign there heads for a minute or two while you get the last laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    Everything that can be used to beat me is a cheap tactic and should be nerfed.

    Everything I built onto my PVP toon is legit.
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    If I see a guitar pop out I pop on my House P shield. I stay near the ladder and watch the charges. He jumps down and starts playing I take away his guitar and perform on his skull You will find the Bard will soon leave or log to his caster I consider most of the things in pvp a rock paper scissors situation. {Example} I started hitting this guy and went blind *drinks pot swing hit blind again drink pot jump up ladder *scratch head hmmmm run to bank get my blindness immune ring pop it on. Run back and begin the fight again. I dont believe in forever dancing but you should learn to deal with some things ask around look up items figure out how to beat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdrocky View Post
    It's pvp. Why can't a player utilize all his resources. If you don't like it increase your saves.
    I think he's talking about Song of Capering, where the preform skill determines the save dc, where you'll need a will save of at least... according to my calculations, a will save of at least 264 to save on a roll of 19.
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    against song of capering theres always a 5% chance you will save .. is it possible to stunlock people in pvp.. sure is but then again.. what do you think enervation + stone to flesh does.. ? its the same thing and can be utilized by many classes .. or enervation command.. or whatever floats your boat..

    bards in general are a weak pvp class tho.. unless you roll virtuoso.. then its a strong pvp class.. but virts suck in pve.. and because this game is mainly 99% pve.. only a select few who either take pvp seriously.. (lol ) or find solid cc in epics needed..

    if you are talking about fascinate.. fascinate has been nerfed down tremendously.. i know its lame but i rolled a lot of bards.. and have been known to stunlock at least 10 peopel at a time in pvp.. since bards cant do meaningfull damage compared to melee or casters this was the only fun i could have in pvp..

    fascinate has been nerfed a few patched ago tho.. now you get saves every 3 seconds.. its not half as powerful as it used to be.. when fascinate could mean you be locked down there for 5+ minutes lol...

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    I just found it hilarious that the OP thinks that PVP is a thing in DDO, oh lols, thats adorable .

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    It always makes me laugh when every pvp thread in the pvp forum is populated mainly by people who hate pvp. As for bards, you know 9 out of 10 bards can't do anything else but dance you. They'll whack you for 0 damage or chuck low dc sb's or shouts or whatever. I'm not exaggerating either, it's amazing how terrible most bards are...

    Let them have their dance. If they chain it, feel free to report, I guess...they'll occassionally temp ban players for it but at the very least, gm's will tele you out of the pit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dribble View Post
    It always makes me laugh when every pvp thread in the pvp forum is populated mainly by people who hate pvp. As for bards, you know 9 out of 10 bards can't do anything else but dance you. They'll whack you for 0 damage or chuck low dc sb's or shouts or whatever. I'm not exaggerating either, it's amazing how terrible most bards are...

    Let them have their dance. If they chain it, feel free to report, I guess...they'll occassionally temp ban players for it but at the very least, gm's will tele you out of the pit.
    It always makes me laugh when every pvp thread in the pvp forum is populated mainly by people who are concerned only with what goes on in the pit, dont use 90% of all PVP features, and are harping about nerfing someone elses class and reporting the player if the other guy wins. Chaining dance is not against PVP rules as long as the other player is killing your toon. Its only against the rules if they chain it and dont kill.

    Its even more hilarious when the people labeled "haters" know more about the other PVP features in the game than some people who claim to like PVP and want more of it.

    Amazing how terrible most bards are? Amazing how terrible 98% of the build options are. The minute I try to engage anyone else in some good ol fashioned PVP, regardless of class, and win, people have to run off and log their 18 [caster] 2 [evasion] build on and clown everyone else who is participating. If I win they are either reporting due to some presupposed cheap tactic used (definition of "cheap" being something they cant counter), or logging their epiced out caster on and taking over. This is the single biggest reason why its not as fun as alot of you think it could be. Some people cant handle loss and they will try to go as far as getting your class nerfed or getting you banned for somehow breaking the rules (rule broken = zomg you beat me!!!! /report) if you win too often using the same tactic.
    Last edited by Chai; 06-25-2012 at 07:26 AM.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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