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    I don't think Bards songs should be aloud in PvP. You can dance a lower level forever with a high level bard, and I don't think its quite fair. You can't log or /death so basically your stuck untill someone kills you or it wears off.

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    It's PvP.. what does it matter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by publicen3my View Post
    I don't think Bards songs should be aloud in PvP. You can dance a lower level forever with a high level bard, and I don't think its quite fair. You can't log or /death so basically your stuck untill someone kills you or it wears off.
    You may not be able to log, but I'm sure Alt+F4 should still work and in the rare case that they have that disabled, you could always unplug your computer to get out of the situation. In all seriousness, the entire concept of "balancing" pvp is something much larger than bard dances. They can't even get player balance right in PvM right now. As a more practical answer to your immediate problem, I'd think they should make /death work while dancing if it currently does not.
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    It's pvp. Why can't a player utilize all his resources. If you don't like it increase your saves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdrocky View Post
    It's pvp. Why can't a player utilize all his resources. If you don't like it increase your saves.
    You need about a 60 or 70 will save then; pretty much impossible! A better way to beat bards is by using the shield from house Phiarlan; it absorbs enchantment spells, including songs.

    I do agree that making people dance for minutes is griefing; minutes of dancing seems a bit much for pvp, 10-20 seconds is already long in such a fast paced environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdrocky View Post
    It's pvp. Why can't a player utilize all his resources. If you don't like it increase your saves.
    I think he's talking about Song of Capering, where the preform skill determines the save dc, where you'll need a will save of at least... according to my calculations, a will save of at least 264 to save on a roll of 19.

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    against song of capering theres always a 5% chance you will save .. is it possible to stunlock people in pvp.. sure is but then again.. what do you think enervation + stone to flesh does.. ? its the same thing and can be utilized by many classes .. or enervation command.. or whatever floats your boat..

    bards in general are a weak pvp class tho.. unless you roll virtuoso.. then its a strong pvp class.. but virts suck in pve.. and because this game is mainly 99% pve.. only a select few who either take pvp seriously.. (lol ) or find solid cc in epics needed..

    if you are talking about fascinate.. fascinate has been nerfed down tremendously.. i know its lame but i rolled a lot of bards.. and have been known to stunlock at least 10 peopel at a time in pvp.. since bards cant do meaningfull damage compared to melee or casters this was the only fun i could have in pvp..

    fascinate has been nerfed a few patched ago tho.. now you get saves every 3 seconds.. its not half as powerful as it used to be.. when fascinate could mean you be locked down there for 5+ minutes lol...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartosy View Post
    against song of capering theres always a 5% chance you will save .. is it possible to stunlock people in pvp.. sure is but then again.. what do you think enervation + stone to flesh does.. ? its the same thing and can be utilized by many classes .. or enervation command.. or whatever floats your boat..

    bards in general are a weak pvp class tho.. unless you roll virtuoso.. then its a strong pvp class.. but virts suck in pve.. and because this game is mainly 99% pve.. only a select few who either take pvp seriously.. (lol ) or find solid cc in epics needed..

    if you are talking about fascinate.. fascinate has been nerfed down tremendously.. i know its lame but i rolled a lot of bards.. and have been known to stunlock at least 10 peopel at a time in pvp.. since bards cant do meaningfull damage compared to melee or casters this was the only fun i could have in pvp..


    fascinate has been nerfed a few patched ago tho.. now you get saves every 3 seconds.. its not half as powerful as it used to be.. when fascinate could mean you be locked down there for 5+ minutes lol...
    I have a 20 bard virt with full AA, 76 perform, and while he doesn't do the damage of a barbarian, he can out CC any other class in the game, and when he does throw down with a bow, usually just for boss fights or a little pvp, he can be quite deadly to any class in the pit.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bartosy View Post
    against song of capering theres always a 5% chance you will save .. is it possible to stunlock people in pvp.. sure is but then again.. what do you think enervation + stone to flesh does.. ? its the same thing and can be utilized by many classes .. or enervation command.. or whatever floats your boat..

    bards in general are a weak pvp class tho.. unless you roll virtuoso.. then its a strong pvp class.. but virts suck in pve.. and because this game is mainly 99% pve.. only a select few who either take pvp seriously.. (lol ) or find solid cc in epics needed..

    if you are talking about fascinate.. fascinate has been nerfed down tremendously.. i know its lame but i rolled a lot of bards.. and have been known to stunlock at least 10 peopel at a time in pvp.. since bards cant do meaningfull damage compared to melee or casters this was the only fun i could have in pvp..

    fascinate has been nerfed a few patched ago tho.. now you get saves every 3 seconds.. its not half as powerful as it used to be.. when fascinate could mean you be locked down there for 5+ minutes lol...



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    Your blatantly mistaken my dear friend, Virtuoso not good in PVE ? He is not CC?
    Have you heard about Otto's and Entrall, Suggestion and Perform that is maxed out on a Virtuoso?

    Lols...

    They are most wanted in Epics, cause they can give 3 min regeneration songs, which will not be debuffed by any Beholders or whatever spells. Who needs a spellsinger for the casters anyways. Let them use a stinkin pot.

    They have the highest CC in the game, they annihilate wizards with their entrall and can control 10's upon 10's of mobs.
    Clearly man, you have no clue about the game, really amazing to read your post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartosy View Post
    against song of capering theres always a 5% chance you will save .. is it possible to stunlock people in pvp.. sure is but then again.. what do you think enervation + stone to flesh does.. ? its the same thing and can be utilized by many classes .. or enervation command.. or whatever floats your boat..

    bards in general are a weak pvp class tho.. unless you roll virtuoso.. then its a strong pvp class.. but virts suck in pve.. and because this game is mainly 99% pve.. only a select few who either take pvp seriously.. (lol ) or find solid cc in epics needed..


    if you are talking about fascinate.. fascinate has been nerfed down tremendously.. i know its lame but i rolled a lot of bards.. and have been known to stunlock at least 10 peopel at a time in pvp.. since bards cant do meaningfull damage compared to melee or casters this was the only fun i could have in pvp..

    fascinate has been nerfed a few patched ago tho.. now you get saves every 3 seconds.. its not half as powerful as it used to be.. when fascinate could mean you be locked down there for 5+ minutes lol...
    Don't play a Virt do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diroctive View Post
    I think he's talking about Song of Capering, where the preform skill determines the save dc, where you'll need a will save of at least... according to my calculations, a will save of at least 264 to save on a roll of 19.
    Haha .... ya thats a fun one for sure !

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    Isn't that considered griefing? Can't you actually report that person?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quarterling View Post
    Isn't that considered griefing? Can't you actually report that person?
    NO! This is NOT griefing, it is playing PvP. I wish that GMs had enough balls to ban anyone who reports others for PvPing using the tools given them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countfitz View Post
    NO! This is NOT griefing, it is playing PvP. I wish that GMs had enough balls to ban anyone who reports others for PvPing using the tools given them.
    Sorry pal but if could certainly be greifing.

    If he's just getting danced continuously and not attacked then this is 100% griefing. There is no Verses happening, the bard isn't trying to "win" the fight.

    If he's getting danced and beat down continuously by the Bard or others then certainly this would not be griefing. He's just getting beaten.

    From the posts it sounds like #1 is what is happening. If that is the case then report the guy doing it. You may be surprised to find out that the GM's will agree and give the warning / ban to the Bard, but really you shouldn't be.


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    Quote Originally Posted by publicen3my View Post
    I don't think Bards songs should be aloud in PvP. You can dance a lower level forever with a high level bard, and I don't think its quite fair. You can't log or /death so basically your stuck untill someone kills you or it wears off.
    Then next you will want all cc spells from all classes to be disallowed.

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    Everything that can be used to beat me is a cheap tactic and should be nerfed.

    Everything I built onto my PVP toon is legit.

    Usually what happens is the person who wants bards nerfed then builds one, and they get owned by someone else. Then they are on the boards complaining that whatever ability that owns their bard is OP.

    The slayer arrow debacle of 2011 is a good example. People screaming ZOMG NERF SLAYER ARROWS built AAs, then would carry on about stunning and other CC being a "cheap tactic" when they found out that AAs werent as immortal as they thought in PVP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    Everything that can be used to beat me is a cheap tactic and should be nerfed.

    Everything I built onto my PVP toon is legit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by publicen3my View Post
    I don't think Bards songs should be aloud
    I see what you did there.

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    This is a funny thread. So most threads about bards complain they are so weak compared to other classes and are useless. Yet you are posting that the mean bards are kicking your butt.

    So what kinda alt are you running that the class nerd is beating you up on the playground and stealing your lunch money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by laurawilder View Post
    This is a funny thread. So most threads about bards complain they are so weak compared to other classes and are useless. Yet you are posting that the mean bards are kicking your butt.

    So what kinda alt are you running that the class nerd is beating you up on the playground and stealing your lunch money?
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