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    Default An LFM experiment

    As I always come up with weird ideas when I have nothing better to do, yesterday I decided to do something special with my LFMs. An experiment based on the "read the LFM" problems many leaders are experiencing.

    Had a few quests I wanted to run so I decided to post my LFMs like this:
    To join -> /tell Distributed I will heal myself without a hireling, in progress
    LFM also had the correct quest selected, so it shows up on the panel, and the difficulty too (elite)

    Here are the results, out of 20 persons that applied (only ran a few quests that evening):

    2 : Sent me the tell properly, they know what difficulty it was and they quickly get to the correct quest.

    12 : Just apply to the LFM, no tell.
    (sub category) : Out of those 12, 8 reply '***?' or something similar when declined.

    4 : Send me a tell asking what difficulty. Tell them it's on the LFM
    (sub category) : Out of those 4, 2 apply after I tell them to look on the LFM, but no correct tell from them.

    Last 2 : 'lol good idea, any luck with it?' Okay they didn't apply but I'm counting them anyway.

    le /sigh
    Will do this again tonight, stay tuned for more results!
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    Ive put "password is cheese" on LFMs before. When I invited people I immediately asked what the password was. Its hilarious how few people get it right. I didnt really use it for a basis to decline, just messing around seeing how many people read the LFM before just hitting it up.
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    Interesting idea.

    A little cheesy on making people send that exact tell to you, but at least the message resonates; you expect them to take care of themselves.

    I will try this on my TR later.


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    Quote Originally Posted by porq View Post
    A little cheesy on making people send that exact tell to you, but at least the message resonates; you expect them to take care of themselves.
    Exactly, tried to fit everything in a small LFM message. I usually put "heal yourself" or something like that, but then I always get people summoning hirelings as soon as they enter the quest...

    So what I came up with tells me this if someone joins:
    1. The person has read the LFM since they sent me the correct tell.
    2. The person knows they'll have to heal themselves (if there isn't a healer willing to do it in party already) by sending the message required.
    3. The person knows I do not want them to use a hireling for point 2.
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    I sometimes put "stepping in 30 seconds after we fill" when posting a Shroud or Reaver's LFM. I'm trying to cut down on the number of people who hit the LFM last and then decide it is a good time to reset their enhancements, sell, repair, craft, make a sandwich, etc...

    In theory, someone reading that LFM will get themselves ready to go and then will hit the LFM. At least 75% of the time that doesn't happen.

    I've done lots of Shrouds and Reavers with 10 or eleven people because don't bother to read the LFM, though they are perfectly willing to send me angry tells cussing me out for starting without them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilindith View Post
    To join -> /tell Distributed I will heal myself without a hireling, in progress
    I can't believe no one sent you a tell saying "I will heal myself without a hireling, in progress"

    I guess I just have a weird sense of humor

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    Ive put "password is cheese" on LFMs before. When I invited people I immediately asked what the password was. Its hilarious how few people get it right. I didnt really use it for a basis to decline, just messing around seeing how many people read the LFM before just hitting it up.
    ...You're a frigging genius. I'm totally doing this.

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    If I were online and saw your lfm, I'd read the text, and just click apply.

    Do you expect people you've run with previously and know will drink 500pots a quest if that's what it takes to /tell you?

    I'm curious, I often put up standard xp zerging tags in my lfm's, but if I ever were to swap them for a statement like yours I'd expect guildies / channel members / known good players, to just hit apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fTdOmen View Post
    If I were online and saw your lfm, I'd read the text, and just click apply.

    Do you expect people you've run with previously and know will drink 500pots a quest if that's what it takes to /tell you?

    I'm curious, I often put up standard xp zerging tags in my lfm's, but if I ever were to swap them for a statement like yours I'd expect guildies / channel members / known good players, to just hit apply.
    I'd take names I know right away of course, no need for a tell. But I don't know everyone on the server so the others get to do this
    Didn't get anyone I know to apply yet though. If you ever want to join, just hit apply, I'll take you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by porq View Post
    Interesting idea.

    A little cheesy on making people send that exact tell to you, but at least the message resonates; you expect them to take care of themselves.

    I will try this on my TR later.
    Personally, I wouldn't care less if they couldn't heal themselves without a hireling... if they are able to follow instructions and send the tell as requested, I'd be glad to babysit them.

    Communication > Self-sufficiency any day.
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    (Tell): Metalbone tells you, 'I will heal myself without a hireling, in progress'
    (Tell): Metalbone tells you, 'May I apply now? '
    PLEASE FIX LAG. PLEASE FIX BUGS.

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    Good story, Distrubuted. Reminds me of when I used to run DQ runs with 2 accounts - one standing in the refuge with those who were already flagged, and the second waiting in the preraid for those who needed it.

    Edit: Oh, and the 2nd account said "send tell to first group for invite"

    Had someone send me a tell saying "<insert name of first account> said I could join". After I finished laughing, I sent him an invite, and explained his error.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phidius View Post
    Personally, I wouldn't care less if they couldn't heal themselves without a hireling... if they are able to follow instructions and send the tell as requested, I'd be glad to babysit them.

    Communication > Self-sufficiency any day.
    True that, communication is best.
    If I could heal this life I wouldn't care as much about self-sufficiency, but I'm a ranger
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niv-mizzet View Post
    I can't believe no one sent you a tell saying "I will heal myself without a hireling, in progress"

    I guess I just have a weird sense of humor
    I rushed to compose my previous post in hopes that I would get it made before I saw your post. Heheheh! +1 for great minds thinking alike.
    PLEASE FIX LAG. PLEASE FIX BUGS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ftdomen
    If I were online and saw your lfm, I'd read the text, and just click apply.
    Does antidisestablishmentarianism mean much to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Illindith
    If you ever want to join, just hit apply, I'll take you!
    Ya, and then you'd grease me off the edge of something into a lava pit while I was AFK. After the fifth or sixth time I've learned my lesson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsEricka View Post
    Ya, and then you'd grease me off the edge of something into a lava pit while I was AFK. After the fifth or sixth time I've learned my lesson.
    Don't go AFK next to lava pits?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MsEricka View Post
    Does antidisestablishmentarianism mean much to you?



    Ya, and then you'd grease me off the edge of something into a lava pit while I was AFK. After the fifth or sixth time I've learned my lesson.
    I prefer the term 'lubricate', thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilindith View Post
    I'd take names I know right away of course, no need for a tell. But I don't know everyone on the server so the others get to do this
    Didn't get anyone I know to apply yet though. If you ever want to join, just hit apply, I'll take you!
    Cool, I'm kinda over my barb life atm so have been taking a break / playing capped toons. I'll keep an eye out for you soon, for some wiz king farming.

    Quote Originally Posted by MsEricka View Post
    Does antidisestablishmentarianism mean much to you?
    Seems to me it means your space bar is dodgy.

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    Sad that it has come to that. May end up having to do that same thing since many people can't listen to simple instructions to get free loot when I post up eClaws or eVoN4's, like:
    Bring your own invis.
    Wait at the entrance until completion.
    Be able to get past the eles.

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    Awesome! This is one of my biggest pet peeves in game, people who don't read LFMs. Sometimes I'll post a password in the LFM.

    For the record, those few who didn't know the quest difficulty I'd have not been too hard on, as that part of the LFM setup is often neglected, and inaccurate due to the fact that it defaults to normal. So looking there and seeing normal, often means absolutely nothing as to the intentions of the poster, so many people don't bother looking at it (Hint, hint devs: Change it so there is no default difficult on LFM postings, and add Epic already!).

    The only excuse to not having read the LFM is people who just logged in and their display is for the LFMs is still buggy, possibly not displaying comments yet. But generally these people are aware of that possibility and are quick to apologize and explain.

    But it drives me crazy when people join, then ask about stuff that was clearly in the LFM, or worse ask "What quest?"
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