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    Default Rogue xx / Fighter x stunning Dwarf, need help building

    Hi there

    after playing some slowstarters i want to play an char that has not so much problems in lowlvl.
    So i decided on one of my really old builds (which never made it to reality ^^),
    Dwarf with 2HF (Maul and or Great Axe) with Stunning.

    Stats 28pt
    Str 18
    Dex 8
    Con 16
    Int 14
    Wis 8
    Cha 6


    Feats
    i think must have for it but correct me
    Impr. Critical, Insightful Reflexes, Cleave, Power Attack, Toughness, Stunning Blow, THF 1 - 3
    Weapon Focus and Weapon spec for Kensai 1

    atm i think about R 12 F 8 but i am not sure about it, u got any idea which lvls on which class? and why plz

    also would it be good to maybe add improved sunder? i think with Fighter one more feat should be a prob or?
    anything else i missed?

    and yeah twf may be better for rogue but a dwarf needs his twohander am i right?
    also i am sick from having dozens of weapons in inventar 3-5 beaters max i want ^^

    goal is having a blast of time with him and doing lots of sneak damage while stunning enemys to save casters ass
    also i think the stun will hlp a lot on solo runs
    Also he wont see raids i think so questing on elite will be his hardest.

    thx in advance

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    Here's an updated version of a build I did a while ago for someone who wanted a dwarf rogue / ftr Stalwart Defender: THF DPS, trap skills, UMD, some hate-tanking + dmg mitigation from shield feats & SD II. AC & Reflex saves are on the low side, though.

    Code:
    Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.11.02
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    Level 20 True Neutral Dwarf Female
    (12 Fighter \ 1 Barbarian \ 7 Rogue) 
    Hit Points: 346
    Spell Points: 0 
    BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
    Fortitude: 16
    Reflex: 10
    Will: 5
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             16                    24
    Dexterity            12                    12
    Constitution         18                    18
    Intelligence         12                    12
    Wisdom                8                     8
    Charisma              6                     6
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               5                    14
    Bluff                -2                    -2
    Concentration         4                     4
    Diplomacy            -2                    -2
    Disable Device        5                    24
    Haggle               -2                    -2
    Heal                 -1                    -1
    Hide                  1                     1
    Intimidate            2                    29
    Jump                  7                    11
    Listen               -1                    -1
    Move Silently         1                     1
    Open Lock             5                     5
    Perform              n/a                   n/a
    Repair                1                     1
    Search                5                    26
    Spot                  3                     3
    Swim                  3                     7
    Tumble                5                     5
    Use Magic Device      2                    21
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+4)
    Skill: Disable Device (+4)
    Skill: Intimidate (+4)
    Skill: Jump (+4)
    Skill: Open Lock (+4)
    Skill: Search (+4)
    Skill: Spot (+4)
    Skill: Tumble (+4)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 2 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    
    
    Level 3 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 4 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+2)
    Skill: Disable Device (+2)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
    
    
    Level 5 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 6 (Fighter)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Shield Mastery
    
    
    Level 7 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 8 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Disable Device (+3)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Search (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
    
    
    Level 9 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 10 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting
    Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
    Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
    Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
    Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
    Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
    Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
    Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics I
    Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics II
    Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
    Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
    Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
    
    
    Level 11 (Fighter)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    
    
    Level 12 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting
    Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
    
    
    Level 13 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+4)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Search (+3)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 14 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    
    
    Level 15 (Fighter)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Shield Bash
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Sunder
    
    
    Level 16 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+6)
    
    
    Level 17 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 18 (Fighter)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Shield Mastery
    
    
    Level 19 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+3)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Search (+3)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
    
    
    Level 20 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+3)
    Skill: Disable Device (+2)
    Skill: Intimidate (+1)
    Skill: Search (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
    Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense III
    Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender II
    Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
    Enhancement: Fighter Dwarven Waraxe Specialization I
    Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization I
    Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
    Enhancement: Improved Intimidate III
    Enhancement: Improved Intimidate IV
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
    Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I
    Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery II
    If you don't care for the tanking aspect, you can drop the shield feats and go Kensai instead (skill pts are the same, just tweaked feats & enhs):
    Code:
    Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.11.02
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    Level 20 True Neutral Dwarf Female
    (12 Fighter \ 1 Barbarian \ 7 Rogue) 
    Hit Points: 346
    Spell Points: 0 
    BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
    Fortitude: 16
    Reflex: 10
    Will: 5
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             16                    24
    Dexterity            12                    12
    Constitution         18                    18
    Intelligence         12                    12
    Wisdom                8                     8
    Charisma              6                     6
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 2 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 3 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 4 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    
    
    Level 5 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 6 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
    
    
    Level 7 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 8 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    
    
    Level 9 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 10 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
    Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
    Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
    Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
    Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics I
    Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics II
    Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery I
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
    
    
    Level 11 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 12 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting
    Feat: (Selected) Hamstring
    
    
    Level 13 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 14 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 15 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Sunder
    Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
    
    
    Level 16 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    
    
    Level 17 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 18 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw
    
    
    Level 19 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 20 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
    Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
    Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
    Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense III
    Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery II
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
    Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Sunder) I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) I
    Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization I
    Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
    Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I
    Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery II

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    You can make a pretty decent tactics build with feats arranged somewhat like the below with your Fighter 12 / Rogue 7 / Barb 1 ...

    Normal (7): Toughness, TXF, ITXF, GTXF, Improved Crit, Quickdraw, Stunning Blow
    Fighter (7): CE, Improved Trip, PA, Improved Sunder, Focus, Spec, Greater Spec

    This should give you the full tactics line plus the ability to swap between SD and Kensai.
    Ghallanda - now with fewer alts and more ghostbane

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    ty for the hlp but that wasnt what i search,
    i think i should have clearer pointed out that i want more Rogue lvl then Fighter

    ive tried it myself now but i am not sure about the saves... very low ><
    also i think dc of stunning fist want be anywhere near where i wanted but oh well
    so heres my own try, critic welcome

    Code:
    Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.12.01
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    Level 20 Chaotic Good Dwarf Male
    (6 Fighter \ 14 Rogue) 
    Hit Points: 326
    Spell Points: 0 
    BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
    Fortitude: 13
    Reflex: 13
    Will: 5
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             16                    23
    Dexterity            14                    14
    Constitution         16                    18
    Intelligence         14                    14
    Wisdom                8                     8
    Charisma              6                     6
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               2                     6
    Bluff                -2                    -1
    Concentration         3                     5
    Diplomacy            -2                    -1
    Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
    Haggle               -2                    -2
    Heal                 -1                    -1
    Hide                  2                     2
    Intimidate           -2                    -1
    Jump                  3                     6
    Listen               -1                    -1
    Move Silently         2                     2
    Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
    Perform              n/a                   n/a
    Repair                2                     2
    Search                2                     4
    Spot                 -1                    -1
    Swim                  3                     6
    Tumble                n/a                   n/a
    Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
    Feat: (Automatic) Attack
    Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stability
    Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stonecutting
    Feat: (Automatic) Giant Evasion
    Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
    Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
    Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
    Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
    Feat: (Automatic) Orc and Goblin Bonus
    Feat: (Automatic) Poison Save Bonus
    Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
    Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
    Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus
    Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
    
    
    Level 2 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting
    Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
    Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Dwarven Waraxe
    Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
    Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
    Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
    Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Trip
    
    
    Level 3 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons
    Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
    
    
    Level 4 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 5 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 6 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons
    
    
    Level 7 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense
    
    
    Level 8 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 9 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
    Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking
    Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge
    
    
    Level 10 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
    
    
    Level 11 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 12 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 13 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 14 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge
    
    
    Level 15 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 16 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
    
    
    Level 17 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 18 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Sunder
    
    
    Level 19 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
    
    
    Level 20 (Rogue)
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
    Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
    Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
    Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
    Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
    Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
    Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
    Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
    Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
    Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics I
    Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics II
    Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics III
    Enhancement: Kensei Maul Mastery I
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) II
    Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Sunder) I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Sunder) II
    Enhancement: Rogue Item Defense I
    Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
    Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
    Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I
    Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery II

    and with skills not 100% sure what to take
    but i want DD, search, spot, UMD, bluff max and i would like tumble, jump, bal and maybe concentration
    i heard that u can make Flips with high tumble is that right?
    also how much Bal is needed in endlvl?
    Last edited by Daemoneyes; 04-30-2012 at 05:24 PM.

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