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    So its been 2 1/2 years now since I posted my first revision "Evoker" build. Time sure does fly doesn’t it? A Lot has changed in the game over that time, but the Evoker has stood up to all the challenges the game has presented. I often get questions in the original thread and PM's and how I would go about improving the Evoker. What I would do on a TR with it. What I feel would be the absolute best combination of past lives.

    So if you are looking for a First life Character to play around with.. Or a FvS to TR into, Please visit the Original Evoker Build I will be doing an update to the spell list and Enhancements for that build as well.

    This is a version of the Evoker for someone looking to do a lot more with the build.
    9 Passive Past life feats and one Active Past life feat Shore up what the Evoker was lacking. Spell List has been altered a bit for a little more offense. A few key Raid and Epic items are assumed to hit some ability score marks.

    With this build, I’m going with a completely new presentation. Will link to the Google Docs version and use some Images rather than the sea of text my builds usually are.

    I’m also skipping some of the not so important breakdowns. We know Saves are going to be solid, BAB is meaningless, Skill points are arbitrary, but I would strongly recommend maxing Concentration and UMD on this build.

    I opted to put the extra 4 build points into Constitution. This provides a few
    extra hit points which is always a good thing. a true min/maxer could get away with
    dumping STR and dropping CHR down to 12 for maxing CON as well. AS we look forward
    to the expansion and more levels, extra CON is going to matter more and more.

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    TR Progression: Fvs>Wiz>SOrc>FvS>Wiz>Sorc>FvS>Wiz>Sorc>Fvs
    Final Level Breakdown: 20 Favored Soul
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    Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty (Favored Soul)
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    Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
    Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting I
    Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life I
    Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Smiting I
    Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Life I
    Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting IV
    Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic IV
    Enhancement: Favored Soul Spell Penetration I
    Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion III
    Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma II
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    Weapon 1: Epic Green Blade
    Weapon 2: Alchemical Tower Shield. (+2 Wis)
    Armor: Epic Cavalry Plate, Toughness Slotted
    Trinket: LotD
    Goggles: Shroud SP Item/Con-op(+6 Wisdom)
    Necklace: Torc
    Cape: Epic Envenomed Cloak, +Heavy Fort Slotted
    Belt: Amrath Archmagi Belt
    Gloves:
    Boots: Shroud HP Item
    Bracers: Bracers of Madness
    Helm:
    Ring 1: ToD Ring: +1 Wis with +2 Wis Slotted
    Ring 2: ToD +6 Chr with +2 Con Slotted


    This covers all the essentials. +7 Wis, Greater Arcane Lore, Sup Pot VII, Potency IX, Archmagi, +7 Con, +3 Exceptional Con and Wis, Toughness Item, Heavy Fort, Superior False Life, Greater Evo Focus. With Gloves and Helm free, This opens up 3 piece Abashi set potential.

    I choose Boots for a HP Item. I dont anyone will miss the hit points in one quest, but with the open slots, it could easily be moved.
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    If using epic ornamented dagger, why not a alchemical shield ?
    Flametouched iron mystical anything / martial water / mystical earth.
    You lose 3% crit chance, but gain 50% better mass heals without a clicky, a guard of your choice, 2 stacking wisdom, 1 spell pen.

    And if you do a tower shield, you can use it to block.
    I'm not even proposing to swap greater evo focus for shield mastery, even if the bonus wisdom on the shield catches up the lost DC... I know min/maxers would cry blasphemy.

    If you put an archmagi belt on (Rahkirs ?) you can dump the vibrant purple (spell pen is on green blade/alch shield). Add litany, allows to skip the *only* +7 wis item in game. Until we get more variety.
    And greater evo focus can only be cannith crafted on bracers, rings or weapons. Go with bracers with large SP guild slot (another +160 SP free), or get the HoX Bracelet of Madness. Or both and swap between ad I do !

    I'll probably have a lot more to add later, but that's it for now! I didn't do the 3 FvS past lives on my evoker (just 1), and it's already an awsome character to play. Looking forward to epic levels/enhancement/destinies a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Zephyr- View Post
    If using epic ornamented dagger, why not a alchemical shield ?
    Flametouched iron mystical anything / martial water / mystical earth.
    You lose 3% crit chance, but gain 50% better mass heals without a clicky, a guard of your choice, 2 stacking wisdom, 1 spell pen.

    And if you do a tower shield, you can use it to block.
    I'm not even proposing to swap greater evo focus for shield mastery, even if the bonus wisdom on the shield catches up the lost DC... I know min/maxers would cry blasphemy.

    If you put an archmagi belt on (Rahkirs ?) you can dump the vibrant purple (spell pen is on green blade/alch shield). Add litany, allows to skip the *only* +7 wis item in game. Until we get more variety.
    And greater evo focus can only be cannith crafted on bracers, rings or weapons. Go with bracers with large SP guild slot (another +160 SP free), or get the HoX Bracelet of Madness. Or both and swap between ad I do !

    I'll probably have a lot more to add later, but that's it for now! I didn't do the 3 FvS past lives on my evoker (just 1), and it's already an awsome character to play. Looking forward to epic levels/enhancement/destinies a lot.
    I'm more than open to better equipment layouts. I need to get caught up with Current End game items still.
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    Rather than wearing two somewhat redundant items (eGreen Blade and VPLIS), you can get the same and more with a combination of T3 alchem shield and Mindfury Symbiont. That's an extra +2 wis, superior devotion IX, greater spell penn IX, spell mastery +1 and a very useful clickie for two upcoming high-level divine spells: Earthquake and Storm of Vengeance.

    Or forego Symbiont and use Skiver + alchem shield + Hound bracelet (sup pot 6 and greater evo focus).

    Either way, you really *really* want the alchem shield.

    I would also drop greater evo focus for shield mastery, as you will have 44+ evo DC anyway (you forgot to mention AoV aura in your breakdown), which is more than enough. 20% damage reduction with tower shields is huge though, and shouldn't be ignored, especially with the awesomeness that is the alchemical tower shield.

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    I've posted my own "dream list" here, which includes many swap items... My FvS has 5 hotbars full of gear that I all use more or less often.
    Still, I'm not happy with my gear setup as it is not "future proof", if +5 tomes come out with the expension I'm screwed without the +7 wis helm for exemple.
    I'm toying with the idea of changing my current GS sword+epic robe of dissonance+hound bracers+epic helm of frost by epic ornamented+epic robe of fire+epic scorched bracers+epic mroranon, but I'm not sure just yet. Maybe I'll try relying on clickies only for brilliance/Ardor (hard when doing 3 hours solo chains of pain), and stick with my GS sword instead of dagger.

    Or I'll probably do what I always do, have both availible and swap a lot.

    That's the main reason I went with robes instead of epic cavalry/epic demon scale (both awsome armors), because swapping them is slow, long and BORING !
    The other reason is the skills penalty, I want to jump, tumble and swim well, but that's really not the primary concern.
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    I know it's called an "evoker", but I'd take necro and greater necro focus instead of evocation focus. It's really nice to be able to hit certain mobs from a distance (artis in epic LoB come to mind) and if you're close enough for implode you can also use slay living, having two insta-kills on separate timers.

    I'm going to echo the suggestion of an alchemical item, if just for the stacking wisdom , although I wouldn't spend a feat on shield mastery on a divine caster.

    I really like epic lion headed belt buckle on just about any caster, except maybe a sorc that is wearing their savant set. I wear it on both my divine casters (sadly the base item eludes my palemaster). It's especially nice if you do a lot of rounding things up and then hopping around waiting for implode to be off timer while you destruct and slay living, the -2 to saves from shaken is a nice boost.
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    Evocation focus vs necro focus : This discussion has already taken place, and the conclusion is that it really depends on playstyle.
    Still : with 3 sorc pls, 1 active wiz pl, you can get your evo high enough to matter, matching the best wizards with similar gear/pl/consulables. Epic abishai/infused chaosrobe is a huge +4 spell pen boost on implosion.
    You can't do the same with necromancy. And the single-target factor makes it all weaker in my opinion.

    But again, it's not only a different build choice, it's a different play style choice.
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    If you are going to craft a greater evo item... may as well craft it on something with a guild slot for SP or HP. I recommend sp since it gets doubled.

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    Have to admit I havent crafted a single thing from the House C raids yet.

    I was gone from the game when that update came out and rarely see MA raids up.

    Looks like swapping the dagger for a Alchemical Shield would be a very positive improvement.

    Looking over the shields on the wiki has me a little confused.

    Exactly what effects can you wind up with for this build? It looks like we would have to shift Superior Potency to another slot...... I suppose once could always just swap to the dagger when dropping a damage spell and back to shield for Implosion/healing
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Zephyr- View Post
    Evocation focus vs necro focus : This discussion has already taken place, and the conclusion is that it really depends on playstyle.
    Still : with 3 sorc pls, 1 active wiz pl, you can get your evo high enough to matter, matching the best wizards with similar gear/pl/consulables. Epic abishai/infused chaosrobe is a huge +4 spell pen boost on implosion.
    You can't do the same with necromancy. And the single-target factor makes it all weaker in my opinion.

    But again, it's not only a different build choice, it's a different play style choice.
    I don't think chaosrobe/abishai stack. Could be wrong.

    Rather than helm of the mronan, I think I'd prefer to take litany. That frees up the helm slot for something else. Helm of frost maybe?

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    Crafted Greater Evocation Focus item can go in one of the 3 free slots.(Crafted)
    One of those slots is Bracer...try this on for size:

    http://itemwiki.cubicleninja.com/Ite...px?itemID=1922

    With a madness armor swapped in, you get Spell Pen IX.

    Right now, my equipment goal looks like this:

    Head: Epic Helm of the Mroranon
    Neck: Epic Torc of Prince Raiyum-de II
    Trinket: Litany of the Dead
    Cloak: Epic Envenomed Cloak
    Belt: Conc-Opp - HP +45
    Ring: Epic Buccaneer's Ring
    Ring: Dragonmarked Ring
    Gloves: Epic Gloves Of The Claw
    Boots: Epic Rock Boots
    Bracers: Bracelet Of Madness
    Armor: Epic Demon Scale Armor
    Goggles: Epic Goggles of Time Sensing
    Hand: Skiver
    Hand: Alchemical (Weapon? Shield?) - Flametouched Iron, Water (Mystical), Water (Martial), Fire (Mystical)
    Quiver: Quiver Of Alacrity

    Colorless:3
    Yellow:3
    Green:2
    Blue:1

    Blue: Natural Armor +4
    Green: Toughness
    Green: Heavy Fort
    Yellow: GFL
    Yellow: Blindness
    Yellow: Disease
    Colorless: Con+1
    Colorless: Dex+1
    Colorless: Str+1

    Bonuses achieved:

    Str +6, Exceptional Str +1, Dex +7, Exceptional Dex +1, Cha +6, Con +7, Exceptional Con +3, Wis +7, Exceptional Wis +3, Alchemical Wis +2, Profane Stats +1, Archmagi, Elemental Spellpoints +150, Greater Arcane Lore, Superior Potency VI, Superior Devotion IX, Arcane Augmentation IX, Greater False Life, Toughness, Elemental Hitpoints +45, Concordant Opposition, Transform Kinetic Energy, Protection +5, 30% Striding, Immunity Blindness/Fear/Disease/Poison, Heavy Fortification, Healing Amp 30%, Greater Evocation Focus, Greater Spell Pen VIII, Spell Pen IX, Slippery Surface Immunity, Resistance +5, Good Luck +2, Underwater Action.

    Plus some other assorted effects that are nice (like Inherent acid resist +10 on the rock boots, freeing up a FvS resistance feat for Cold/Electricity, since you don't need it for Melf's/Burning Blood/etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matuse View Post
    One of those slots is Bracer...try this on for size:

    http://itemwiki.cubicleninja.com/Ite...px?itemID=1922

    With a madness armor swapped in, you get Spell Pen IX.
    oh, I like that. I pulled one of those the other day as well.

    Epic Green Blade already has Spell Penn IX. so Epic Cavalry plate can stay.

    I like the suggestions. Updated the Gear list. GOnna have to go back and tweak stats to account for LotD and Shield.

    this also opens up a 3 piece Abashi set. Cloak/Helm/Gloves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matuse View Post
    Ring: Epic Buccaneer's Ring

    Blue: Natural Armor +4
    I really don't understand the point of these two. Are we still talking Evoker or a FvS/Monk hybrid that is trying to keep AC up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LafoMamone View Post
    I really don't understand the point of these two. Are we still talking Evoker or a FvS/Monk hybrid that is trying to keep AC up?
    The Buccaneers ring is a nice combo item Effects are benefitial to most classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matuse View Post
    One of those slots is Bracer...try this on for size:

    http://itemwiki.cubicleninja.com/Ite...px?itemID=1922

    With a madness armor swapped in, you get Spell Pen IX.

    Right now, my equipment goal looks like this:

    Head: Epic Helm of the Mroranon
    Neck: Epic Torc of Prince Raiyum-de II
    Trinket: Litany of the Dead
    Cloak: Epic Envenomed Cloak
    Belt: Conc-Opp - HP +45
    Ring: Epic Buccaneer's Ring
    Ring: Dragonmarked Ring
    Gloves: Epic Gloves Of The Claw
    Boots: Epic Rock Boots
    Bracers: Bracelet Of Madness
    Armor: Epic Demon Scale Armor
    Goggles: Epic Goggles of Time Sensing
    Hand: Skiver
    Hand: Alchemical (Weapon? Shield?) - Flametouched Iron, Water (Mystical), Water (Martial), Fire (Mystical)
    Quiver: Quiver Of Alacrity

    Colorless:3
    Yellow:3
    Green:2
    Blue:1

    Blue: Natural Armor +4
    Green: Toughness
    Green: Heavy Fort
    Yellow: GFL
    Yellow: Blindness
    Yellow: Disease
    Colorless: Con+1
    Colorless: Dex+1
    Colorless: Str+1

    Bonuses achieved:

    Str +6, Exceptional Str +1, Dex +7, Exceptional Dex +1, Cha +6, Con +7, Exceptional Con +3, Wis +7, Exceptional Wis +3, Alchemical Wis +2, Profane Stats +1, Archmagi, Elemental Spellpoints +150, Greater Arcane Lore, Superior Potency VI, Superior Devotion IX, Arcane Augmentation IX, Greater False Life, Toughness, Elemental Hitpoints +45, Concordant Opposition, Transform Kinetic Energy, Protection +5, 30% Striding, Immunity Blindness/Fear/Disease/Poison, Heavy Fortification, Healing Amp 30%, Greater Evocation Focus, Greater Spell Pen VIII, Spell Pen IX, Slippery Surface Immunity, Resistance +5, Good Luck +2, Underwater Action.

    Plus some other assorted effects that are nice (like Inherent acid resist +10 on the rock boots, freeing up a FvS resistance feat for Cold/Electricity, since you don't need it for Melf's/Burning Blood/etc).
    I disagree with epic buccaneer's ring. I'd rather have a +6 TOD ring with 20% amp. I also disagree with epic rock boots... you don't need slippery surface immunity, you have FOM. Earthgrab also means less torc procs and less running through blade barrier.

    Also, where exactly are you getting Elemental spellpoints from?

    Why do you have both Mroranon and Litany?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicMew View Post

    Also, where exactly are you getting Elemental spellpoints from?

    Why do you have both Mroranon and Litany?
    If I had em both i would use em.
    litany +1 to all stats...
    Epic Helm +7 Wisdom only. other effects are not that exciting. but if it evened out my wis, it would stay on.
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    As far as I know, you get max wisdom from having one or the other. Having both puts you at an odd wisdom,

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicMew View Post
    As far as I know, you get max wisdom from having one or the other. Having both puts you at an odd wisdom,
    I guess that would really depend on the rest of your gear, tomes, enhancements, and items. Not to mention House D potions if ya use em....

    Gear is dynamic in this game. many folks are going to have alternative "Best" gear lists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Impaqt View Post
    The Buccaneers ring is a nice combo item Effects are benefitial to most classes.
    I am not sure how exactly this type of build can benefit from anything but the good luck effect on the ring. I have never put a single point into swim on any toon I rolled up, nor have I ever had a need for reserving such a heavily valuable equipment slot for underwater action. Protection +5 and Dex +7 are good for...what exactly?

    As AtomicMew already said, you'd be much better off using that slot for another ToD ring, or (my personal favorite) a cannith crafted greater X focus ring of persuasion with a large guild augment slot. It will have 3 things this build will actually benefit from:

    1. +2 DC to a school of your choice (evocation and necro are both good choices here, and possibly even conjuration for those who love Cometfall and the upcoming Storm of Vengeance)

    2. +3 to all charisma-based skills, including UMD (i personally love using scrolls and hate swapping out equipment to do so.)

    3. Additional 20HP or 160SP, your choice

    If you like swapping gear out for UMD, you could always put a +13 skill suffix of the ring, such as Concentration, Balance, or hey...how about Swim?

    Either way, it would be a much better option than the CC ring. I also agree with AtomicMew's comments about Rock Boots, but the ring thing is the one that really bugs me.
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