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    Quote Originally Posted by Noopleh View Post
    the lead then goes the thing is you are a heal a sponge with negative heal amp that steals aggro (<- he is the tank, one of the those 90 ac and 800hp monkey) i told them that the healers should stop *****ing a invest some Ap toward stronger heals and that 95% heal amp wasn't so bad on a wf and that i had seen worse. so in the end i didn't get to bring my barb heh. well didn't come as healer too.
    Why, in god's name, are you pulling aggro when you are a gimp that can't be properly healed? Stop it. I wouldn't want you in any of my runs either. If you can't not pull aggro on your gimped barb, then yeah, go get something useful, like your healer, hopefully. Or just stay away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faent View Post
    Why, in god's name, are you pulling aggro when you are a gimp that can't be properly healed? Stop it. I wouldn't want you in any of my runs either. If you can't not pull aggro on your gimped barb, then yeah, go get something useful, like your healer, hopefully. Or just stay away.
    i don't mean to pull aggro, i actually swap most of my gear so i have as little incite as i can. i stand with 20% with most of my gear switched (20% on cannith bracers). not my fault the tank can't hold the aggro
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    Quote Originally Posted by grgurius View Post
    Think you just ran into some noobish know it all. Nothing wrong with wf barbs wielding a great axe, think GA even pulls a bit ahead of a falchion on high fort targets.
    yeah i agree...
    You could have gone 2wf with dual light maces ,and maxed out int & cha instead of str & con
    /sarcasm off

    WF are terrible at any melee/specialist(except arties) class.
    -You waste healer's sp , your own pot use are gimped.
    The heal amp you get to keep up with other races ,on these other races would make you very tough.
    On a Wf it just compensate a flaw .
    -You are immuned to lots of things ?
    Yeah ,but a decent endgame fleshies too (immunities gear and pale lavender are not for monkeys )
    To make short ,yeah you have dps ,but you are also a sp sponge and have no survivability.
    Dont do that.
    You want to be a retarded dps ape ? go Horc ,they're meant for that.

    WF are among the best for arcane classes.
    Full Self healing on an arcane is just totally OP and sweet to play.
    Pale masters are fine ,but they ll never be as suvivable as WFs.

    WF are decent divine ,but really overrated.
    Just an easy and safe way to build dps melee divine when you are too newb to build a proper battlecleric (like 99,9999999....% of people) that will outdps you ,outheal you and out-offensive-casting you .Yep sir.
    Truth hurts.Combining easy buttons can be less optimal than original and genuine thinking.
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    All lives on my way to completionist are going to be WF. Yes, even the barb. And yes, even the cleric.

    When fleshies get access to things like DoD, Quorforged docent, Blademark's docent and immunity to basically everything for free, we'll talk. Until then, lol fleshies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truga View Post
    All lives on my way to completionist are going to be WF. Yes, even the barb. And yes, even the cleric.

    When fleshies get access to things like DoD, Quorforged docent, Blademark's docent and immunity to basically everything for free, we'll talk. Until then, lol fleshies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vermentto View Post
    WF are decent divine ,but really overrated.
    Just an easy and safe way to build dps melee divine when you are too newb to build a proper battlecleric (like 99,9999999....% of people) that will outdps you ,outheal you and out-offensive-casting you .Yep sir.
    Truth hurts.Combining easy buttons can be less optimal than original and genuine thinking.
    And concerning divine tanks ,Sov.Host FvS Helves and humans are just gods compared to them.
    Someone call Sirgog and tell him that his Build SoulSurvivor is just ****, cause compared to that "Sov.Host FvS Helves and humans are just gods".
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    The important difference is, this build can heal the party AND himself except in a few occasions.

    A WF Bar usually can't heal the party. Options are SF pot.s and heal amp. for himself only.

    I always check heal amp. on those WF toons by using a heal scroll before entering the fight. Then I know who is expendable in case it mattered ;P.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ValenGodspeed View Post
    Someone call Sirgog and tell him that his Build SoulSurvivor is just ****, cause compared to that "Sov.Host FvS Helves and humans are just gods".
    lol'ed. LoB WF in red armor wielding an esos is the scariest **** you can see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xPhoxhoundx View Post

    Or just really neuter them, hand the Arti who has all 4 tiers of scroll mastery a stack of recons and say thank you in advance.
    Maybe the arti doesn't want to play barbarian healer, hmmm?

    I don't mind throwing repairs or recons here and there if my blue bar can sustain it (raids = easy; epic quests = not as easy), but I'm not in the mood to play WF barbarian healer every raid.

    If you cannot survive between 1 Mass Heal and 1 Mass Cure, nobody should find you humorous. There's no need to have another person play healer because you cannot be arsed.

    I'm not keen on barbarian tanks, but it doesn't just take a WF barb to be bad at it. But as per usual... if 1 Heal, 1 Scroll Heal, 1 FvS free heal routine does not keep you alive most of the time, you're a bad tank.
    I've solo healed tanks on an arti. I've also had tanks on my divine who needed me to spam my mass cures because they had that little damage mitigation.

    Don't whine. If you need an extra heal or reconstruct on top of the Mass Heal and Mass Critical that I throw out (Emp Healed, Empowered, Maximized, with gear that increases healing, full healing enhancements) you are a mana sponge. Costing resources that nobody else costs.

    I don't have any prejudice against WF anything, I don't mind them. I do mind the attitude you're espousing and I do mind toons who need extra attention either due to: bad play, bad attitude, bad build, no healing amp, or minimal damage mitigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawel_San View Post
    Hmm how is the belt a place holder? encrusted is the set ring to knost's. Which means you will be keeping
    knost's on so the qfdob gives you the 30 I mentioned.

    I don't understand your approach essentially you seem to be saying I will go out of my way to be hard to heal.
    I gave you a set up that would up your dps and your heal amp, yet you keep saying "what I have is fine and
    any healer that is "good" can heal me". Also the scourge choker... that lowers your dps.. by a looot 12 secs
    of -50% dps any time you stop being hit often enough is bad mojo. Even assuming you only get this rarely you
    lose a lot more then you gain from 2-6 str proc. That's at best +5 to damage (very unsustainable) which on a
    barb should be probably less then 5% of your dps. The fatigue on other hand halves your dps.

    Also as far as your toughness goes you really should consider envenomed cloak slotted if you mind the 20 hp
    that much.

    Anyhow I think I'm done arguing this. You seem to be determined to have no heal amp and blame it on
    dps/hp loss where there in reality isn't one or is an insignificant one. Also not having at least HFI is just plain
    dumb 15% additive base heal amp for 2 AP is extremely good. I'd argue that even HFII is worth it but 5% for
    4 ap is debatable.

    I redid his enhancements last night...changed some things round... only lost 10hp ..and picked up HF1 and 2 to test a theory...

    I had a two different healers test it out.. both were able to bring me up from half hp (430hp) back up to full (ragedx3/madstonedx2/scourged 1130hp) w/ two heals... then tried it again w/ scrolls ... scrolls where hittin 110-130 (swapping out levik's and fabricators) Heal spells hitting from 300-1125 (same swapping)

    both healers were random ppl I didn't know... and neither of them said that they noticed an issue w/ the amount of hp they were healing me for...

    I asked.. and neither had an eardweller...so that enhancement towards spells wasn't a factor either...

    I have a guildie who has one on her cleric... and last time she ran w/ my barb... the highest heal she hit me for was over 2k...

    Like I said before ... it's not my gear (or lack thereof) it's the way a healer is set up that is the issue. If said healer is set up well and knows what to expect w/ my barb and his *lack of fleshiness* then we're all good.

    I have the belt on as a reminder that I still dont' have the ring on.
    I have a DT docent that has Disintegrate guard on it..but the other runes have YET to drop for me. "IF" I have to "tank" I use the leviks' bracers and shield while hate tanking (no ranks in intim..I mean c'mon I have a 6 charisma) the 20% more amp along w/ the sheild's proc rate help heal and keep me up.



    *on a side note.. HF1=15% HF2=5% (more) HF3=5% (more) so total 25% amp =10 points ... I have HF1 (and after a respec HF2)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok.cry View Post
    I didn't realize people played barbarians still, my condolences.
    Still the best line in the thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by deahamlet View Post
    Maybe the arti doesn't want to play barbarian healer, hmmm?

    I don't mind throwing repairs or recons here and there if my blue bar can sustain it (raids = easy; epic quests = not as easy), but I'm not in the mood to play WF barbarian healer every raid.

    If you cannot survive between 1 Mass Heal and 1 Mass Cure, nobody should find you humorous. There's no need to have another person play healer because you cannot be arsed
    ....
    Don't whine. If you need an extra heal or reconstruct on top of the Mass Heal and Mass Critical that I throw out (Emp Healed, Empowered, Maximized, with gear that increases healing, full healing enhancements) you are a mana sponge. Costing resources that nobody else costs.
    ...
    I said give you a stack of recons. That part might have been in humour. The fact you throw scrolls better than any other class other than Bard was why I suggested arti's. I START at 831 HP and top out at just over 1,250HP. I can survive full cycles of Heal/Mass Heal rounds without problem. I have SF Pots which while they dont hit as well as on my Monk, still hit pretty good to cover between the heals as necessary. That -10 to all stats and "Crippled" status for 30 seconds during a Horoth battle tends to make people a little testy though. Yes, my barb CAN drink SF pots and keep swinging, albeit apparently slower. Proper gear/stat slotting has allowed me to take care of THAT problem. I know of at least a half dozen healers who not only were capable and willing to heal me, but got off on it, because they were proud of being able to take care of me and still fire heals back at the other part of the party without breaking a sweat or whining about my healing amp.

    Max stats during a boss fight? No Cookies/Store pots, just Yugo pots and gear?
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    You know, If I was going to do a warforged barbarian, it would not be a pure barb. I would only use warforged if I wasn't going to be getting enough barbarian levels to get tireless rage. Warforged seems like it is a more powerful option earlier, but late game gets surpassed by other races for this class. Maybe that is just my odd perspective though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noopleh View Post
    you see, and you can't deny it, that's 90% of endgame "healers" are FvS, and most of them are damage specced.. Boom, that's it, so FvS spec to light damage and they moan when they find a non-monkish heal amp on a barbarian... talking of which i need to respec searth into healing again.
    So badmouthing WF barbs when a few of them have not even Healer's Friend and no Heal Amp is bad... but badmouthing FvS is okay?

    I have plenty of AP. Smiting 4/1/1, full Healing line, even the crits all the way to the max (to be honest, I think I'm going to go back to 4/1/1 cause I don't want to count on crits in healing). Empower, Maximize, Empower Healing. Mass Heal, Mass Critical, Mass Serious, Heal, etc.

    FvS can totally cast up the wazoo and heal just fine. The APs on a FvS are not really that unmanageable. The spell list is a bit tricky to navigate, but I have the basics I need and I feel good.

    If we're talking guild runs... I can see a guild leader not wanting to stress his guild healers. I think it's a tad mean to always ask someone to bring their heals, but I think a raid leader (especially a guild raid leader) has every right to be concerned over resource use of his guildies... even if the concern is another guildie. Perhaps the healers were polite and didn't say anything... many divines just get the raid through, but we do internally grind our teeth when someone has little damage mitigation or is simply too hard to keep up.

    Now pugs... here's the thing. You do not know what is going to happen in a pug. If I am healing a tank, I always start off with scroll healing and leave SP for the following "oh ****" situations.

    1. Increase in incoming damage - throw heal or other cures (masses if I have nothing else) to make sure tank does not die.
    2. Unwise non-tanks - sitting in front of boss, stealing aggro, whatever... which leads to the raid becoming messy and me having to help the main party healer.
    3. DPS being slow and raid going into overtime - I need to be ready for this and have some mana to deal with it.

    I never have even 1/2 mana on even the best runs, but I always like to be prepared.
    I've been in many wipes where divines were not pacing themselves, we went into overtime and wiped at 5% boss HP because there was no more mana, heal scrolls either lacking or simply not enough to keep people up. (I wasn't on a divine back then).

    And to be honest... I'm the least "healer" like FvS that I know. And I have all those healing enhancements and feats and (scroll mastery IV) and a couple pieces of gear to decrease spell cost or increase healing of my spells. I know FvS with complete healer gear, maximum CHA insane SP... me... I'm a caster FvS who likes to play saviour and ensure completion.

    I'm still going to groan to myself with a no damage mitigation or no heal-amp punk tanks, stays in front of boss or steals aggro. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by xPhoxhoundx View Post
    I said give you a stack of recons. That part might have been in humour. The fact you throw scrolls better than any other class other than Bard was why I suggested arti's. I START at 831 HP and top out at just over 1,250HP. I can survive full cycles of Heal/Mass Heal rounds without problem. I have SF Pots which while they dont hit as well as on my Monk, still hit pretty good to cover between the heals as necessary. That -10 to all stats and "Crippled" status for 30 seconds during a Horoth battle tends to make people a little testy though. Yes, my barb CAN drink SF pots and keep swinging, albeit apparently slower. Proper gear/stat slotting has allowed me to take care of THAT problem. I know of at least a half dozen healers who not only were capable and willing to heal me, but got off on it, because they were proud of being able to take care of me and still fire heals back at the other part of the party without breaking a sweat or whining about my healing amp.

    Max stats during a boss fight? No Cookies/Store pots, just Yugo pots and gear?
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    I didn't mention scrolls because scrolls mean I cannot shoot my xbow. Yes, I'll still cast some rune-arm and maybe a spell at the boss, but I don't want to be a tank healer every raid. I played my arti well as support, healed when people were all over the map in a difficult raid and were dying. But being handed a stack of scrolls says "be my nanny". No, thank you, nice barbarian sir, I do not want to :P.

    Hey, if you are alive and well with mass heal and a mass cure (in certain raids required, in other raids only needed at spike damage times)... I'm happy and I *heart* you.
    If you are a tank and heal and scrolls and free heal is enough to keep you up except at known times of spike damage... I'm happy and I *heart* you.

    So obviously I wasn't talking about you if you can manage both of those situations.
    And if someone cannot because they made a choice to not take HF I and some healing amp... well, I reserve the right to SIGH, make faces at the screen, and be apprehensive about them showing up in any raid I'm in (though always the optimist, I'd hope they'd have improved since the last encounter!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by deahamlet View Post
    So badmouthing WF barbs when a few of them have not even Healer's Friend and no Heal Amp is bad... but badmouthing FvS is okay?
    Don't you know it's your job to shut up and heal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deahamlet View Post
    -snip-
    Have you even read my earlier post? My main is a healer, so "badmouthing" FvS as you say it's bull. Did the truth hurt? I know I played a healer for longer then I can remember and I know that FvS now go all prayer of smiting and all for DP and BB ect. I am not bad mouthing, I am saying the truth

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    Don't you know it's your job to shut up and heal?
    Damn right you are!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noopleh View Post
    i don't mean to pull aggro, i actually swap most of my gear so i have as little incite as i can. i stand with 20% with most of my gear switched (20% on cannith bracers). not my fault the tank can't hold the aggro
    Yeah, it is your fault if you are still running incite gear and pulling agro on a WF toon.
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    What does the word "gimp" actually mean in this context here ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alrik_Fassbauer View Post
    What does the word "gimp" actually mean in this context here ?
    Less than optimal and not geared properly... lacking the ability to do the job correctly...
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