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    Bluff, deception and someone using intimidate helps a lot, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinusWyllt View Post
    Isn't that where bluff, deception items and blindness help?

    (Actually asking because I've yet to run a pure or mostly rogue.)
    Yup. Radiance weapons are awesome on rogues. Also stunning is very effective also.

    Simply running in behind others works too and switching targets constantly as mobs will initially agro on the one in front and most mobs do not last many hits. Once you get to the level where they do last a few hits radiance comes into play.

    Also diplo works for rogues also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinusWyllt View Post
    Isn't that where bluff, deception items and blindness help?

    (Actually asking because I've yet to run a pure or mostly rogue.)
    My rogue is sitting at level 10 because I only run him when guildies need a toon at whatever level I left him at.

    I mentioned rad2 for the blindness (those who have one seem to sing its praises). Try clicking bluff to see how slow it is. The only time I've seen it in use is for PD groups using it to pull. Deception doesn't seem to proc enough, maybe at lvl18 it helps, but that leaves a whole host of great weapons for vendor trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yawumpus View Post
    Try clicking bluff to see how slow it is.
    Yeah, that's the kind of thing I was wondering.

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    most of the rogues i seen has high dps but few hp.
    most of the times rogues are not able to survive to a big melee assault.

    in that particulary quest happened that we got a melee assault every 5 minutes because the (great genious) fighter went ahead to disable the traps.

    that's all,
    no matter if he wanted to do traps.. i don't give a penny if he wants to do traps..
    i am full HAPPY if he wants to do traps.. that's not the problem.
    the problem was only that he played as we never exist at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drathdragon View Post
    most of the rogues i seen has high dps but few hp.
    most of the times rogues are not able to survive to a big melee assault.

    in that particulary quest happened that we got a melee assault every 5 minutes because the (great genious) fighter went ahead to disable the traps.

    that's all,
    no matter if he wanted to do traps.. i don't give a penny if he wants to do traps..
    i am full HAPPY if he wants to do traps.. that's not the problem.
    the problem was only that he played as we never exist at all.
    If the fighter was pulling all the mobs, HE has all the aggro. So let him have it and pick off targets one at a time with the other rogue. Or ask the casters to put up some CC. Or, in an even worse case, just let the fighter die to all the mobs and continue at the groups pace.

    Nobody is saying what the fighter did is exactly a good thing. We are just trying to tell you some things you/your party could have done (or can do in the future) to help things go smoother when you get "that guy" in your party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drathdragon View Post
    most of the rogues i seen has high dps but few hp.
    most of the times rogues are not able to survive to a big melee assault.

    in that particulary quest happened that we got a melee assault every 5 minutes because the (great genious) fighter went ahead to disable the traps.

    that's all,
    no matter if he wanted to do traps.. i don't give a penny if he wants to do traps..
    i am full HAPPY if he wants to do traps.. that's not the problem.
    the problem was only that he played as we never exist at all.
    if your complaint is the Poor player performance and ignorance of the fighter, you should of just ranted about that. After further explanation, it does sound like the guy may have been an idiot.... but you took the long road to get there...

    THe fact that the 2 rogues couldnt pull their weight could of been left out.
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    If 2 rogues, 2 arcanes and a divine need help from a FIGHTER to kill some overweight halflings, something is seriously wrong with the rogues and blue bars. The fighter should be the one complaining about how all the mobs were fingered and/or assassinated before he could even reach them, the traps were already disabled before he could start searching, and that the quest was finished before he could leave the first room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinusWyllt View Post
    Isn't that where bluff, deception items and blindness help?

    (Actually asking because I've yet to run a pure or mostly rogue.)
    And diplomacy, yes ... but it's not the quickest. Sometimes I wonder if I'm really diplo-ing away my aggro, or just inhibiting my DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voodoogroves View Post
    And diplomacy, yes ... but it's not the quickest. Sometimes I wonder if I'm really diplo-ing away my aggro, or just inhibiting my DPS.
    I've been wondering this myself. I've been spending my skill points on Bluff instead lately - sure, it's slow and it only works on one target, but it's great for pulling when you're soloing.

    And to the OP: as others may have already said, try to find or start a static group to play with, or give perma-death a try.
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    Sorcs and wizards are dps lol, there's these things called 'aoe spells', so maybe if the fighter was running ahead and pulling mobs, he was hoping that the casters would destroy them bunched up as such?

    I for example love it when melees do that if I'm on my caster, at least some use for them lol.
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    Default Repeat the same quest over and over again is very silly...

    I would do my second GS item but to do that i need the cleaning essence.
    Reading the wikiddo the unique way to achive that is to repeat 'the shroud' 20 times.

    I am the only one who think that this is very annoying and stupid ?
    I will never have the necessary time to complete 20 times the shroud !
    But it's mostly boring to do every time the same raid.
    That's the worst part of this game for me.

    why there is not an essence cleaning in the store ?

    @$%*# !!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by drathdragon View Post
    I would do my second GS item but to do that i need the cleaning essence.
    Reading the wikiddo the unique way to achive that is to repeat 'the shroud' 20 times.

    I am the only one who think that this is very annoying and stupid ?
    I will never have the necessary time to complete 20 times the shroud !
    But it's mostly boring to do every time the same raid.
    That's the worst part of this game for me.

    why there is not an essence cleaning in the store ?

    @$%*# !!!!!!
    Well, first of all, necroing a months old thread with a completely off-topic post is generally frowned upon. Second, the essence of cleansing is not in the DDO store because most of us are vehemently against the idea of selling raid loot. Have you seen the uproar over the recent tome additions? Third, if you want to reward of being able to wear 2 greensteel accessories at one time without dying, you need to put in the work to get that reward. Finally, nothing says you can't run other quests in the 3 days you have between shroud runs.

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