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    Quote Originally Posted by MadFloyd View Post
    Hey all,

    We just made the decision to postpone the new enhancement system until after XPack. A lot of work has been done on it, but too much remains and, more importantly, there's not enough time to iterate on the design and address feedback we've received so far.

    We're sad; the systems team has put in a lot of long hours towards this, but it's the right thing to do.

    Thanks again for all the feedback and support.
    Take the time to get it right.

    That said, can you let us know more about what you're thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnsfire View Post
    The bright side I guess is that you can finish the 'Let's Talk' series now (AC, ranged ect).
    Yes, please give us something else to chew on.

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    I'm still hoping for the arbitrary 3 tree limit to be done away with. And I can honestly say I am glad it is pushed back, and will remain happy for it to continue to be indefinitely pushed back until they do get rid to the 3 tree limit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gulain View Post
    My biggest concern here is: Does this mean even more indefinite timeframe on flushing out the class/race Prestiges?? These have been ongoing for years and I'm not sure if I feel comfortable with no timeframe on these again...
    This.

    I know you guys are working on it, but the impression given with the initial PRE's list was that they were being worked on. And not to point out that it's been 3+ years and we still don't have some (most?) of them but...

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    Blizzard has a habit of delaying things when they aren't ready to see the light of day. And so far, its worked out pretty well for them. I have confidence in you guys & gals.


    Keep strong & carry on.

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    Pitty, though all in all, when you consider the sheer mass of side-effects inherent in an overhaul, understandable.

    Mind sharing a few thoughts on updated goals and preferred methodologies? Bonus points if you list a few notions you threw out and why so we aren't treading over the same ground.
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    This is sad news. I am looking forward to the new enhancement system as much as the expansion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnsfire View Post
    The bright side I guess is that you can finish the 'Let's Talk' series now (AC, ranged ect).
    I don't expect to see any more "Let's Talk" threads that deal with anything non-expansion related until the expansion is released and working somewhat smoothly. An AC overhaul will be a huge topic and ranged changes can be anything from a few tweaks to a major overhaul. Since thay have not deigned to even give us a glimmer of what they might have in mind for either system and they have a lot on their plates right now, I don't hold out much hope for those issues for a good while. Hopefully I'm wrong and they decide to start collecting information and suggestions well before they plan to work on them.
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    So does this mean Druids aren't getting any PRE's untill the Enhancement update?

    What will this mean for level 25's who need a rebuild due to the Enhancement system completely changing?

    Kambuk

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    What is the new time frame for the enhancement system revamp? Waiting year(s) for a fully fleshed out PrE line is a little ludicrous. I hope the AC revamp won't be pushed back also.. you guys have very little time left on the clock to fully flesh out character build options (that IS why we play DnD right?) before Neverwinter hits as another F2P DnD MMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok.cry View Post
    I'm still hoping for the arbitrary 3 tree limit to be done away with. And I can honestly say I am glad it is pushed back, and will remain happy for it to continue to be indefinitely pushed back until they do get rid to the 3 tree limit.
    agreed...the example I listed earlier would need 8 trees to retain the same skills as current...none of which are breaking alone, but taken as a whole, certainly would push an "edge" build outside of acceptable viability IMO. Dropping 4 of these lines would make the entire race, level, Feat & Class mix incredebly inefficient.

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    /sadpanda

    Of all the things in the xpack, this was the feature I was most looking forward to. But I do understand if you guys bit off more than you could chew, just promise us it won't be delayed too much.

    ...or, can't you just delay Druids instead ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadFloyd View Post
    Hey all,

    We just made the decision to postpone the new enhancement system until after XPack. A lot of work has been done on it, but too much remains and, more importantly, there's not enough time to iterate on the design and address feedback we've received so far.

    We're sad; the systems team has put in a lot of long hours towards this, but it's the right thing to do.

    Thanks again for all the feedback and support.
    good call

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok.cry View Post
    I'm still hoping for the arbitrary 3 tree limit to be done away with. And I can honestly say I am glad it is pushed back, and will remain happy for it to continue to be indefinitely pushed back until they do get rid to the 3 tree limit.
    Personally, I think the three tree (plus racial) limit is actually a very good thing. It opens up a lot of options for balancing the trees against each other that weren't there before, such as fleshing out each tree to be more independent, and being able to provide more kinds of options. It also further diversifies the kinds of choices players can make that would be meaningful.

    Some types of variety only exist under some types of constraint.

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    3+ years and waiting, I've set my expectations so that I can wait forever, won't bother me.
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    I, for one, look forward to our new enhancement overlords.

    ...but I'm very happy to look forward for a longer time if it increases the chances that our new enhancement overlords are benevolent.

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    So what does that mean for druids? Will their enhancements be revamped shortly after release or will they be shipped nekkid?

    Also, does that mean that the xpack content will be balanced with the current enhancement system in mind, and will stay that way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dopey_Power View Post
    Blizzard has a habit...
    What does Blizzard have to do with any of this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kambuk View Post
    What will this mean for level 25's who need a rebuild due to the Enhancement system completely changing?
    Luckily it won't effect it at all because the Epic level will use an entirely different system

    Quote Originally Posted by Octopusfluff View Post
    Personally, I think the three tree (plus racial) limit is actually a very good thing. It opens up a lot of options for balancing the trees against each other that weren't there before, such as fleshing out each tree to be more independent, and being able to provide more kinds of options. It also further diversifies the kinds of choices players can make that would be meaningful.

    Some types of variety only exist under some types of constraint.
    So limiting choice creates more choice...Really because my plan is to make robots to murder all kobolds every 50 years so the kobolds cant make robots that will most likely kill them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweez View Post

    Also, does that mean that the xpack content will be balanced with the current enhancement system in mind, and will stay that way?
    This is the one that interests me.

    It looks like the overhaul will make characters a lot stronger in general (even if we lose a couple of little synergies here and there). Will quest and raid bosses be designed around the assumption that we have the higher post enhancement overhaul character power levels?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Octopusfluff View Post
    Personally, I think the three tree (plus racial) limit is actually a very good thing. It opens up a lot of options for balancing the trees against each other that weren't there before, such as fleshing out each tree to be more independent, and being able to provide more kinds of options. It also further diversifies the kinds of choices players can make that would be meaningful.

    Some types of variety only exist under some types of constraint.
    That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. My opinion differs and will not change on this issue. This three tree limit both stinks of wow and loses the flavor of DnD that I enjoy. I dont expect anyone to agree with me, or even care, but this part of the enhancement change is going to be my farewell to DDO.
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