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    Quote Originally Posted by MrCow View Post
    [*]Lava Caves: Time is Money (level 20 version and level 25 version, one run each, striving for 4-6 stars), ~5000 to ~8500 EXP-per-minute[*]Extraplanar Palace: Buying Time (level 20 version and level 25 version, one run each, striving for 3-6 stars), ~3300 to 8500 EXP-per-minute[*]Tomb of the Blighted (bring some trash slashing weapons to slice the blighted oozes into low-grade gray oozes on Hard and Elite), ~4000 to ~7000 EXP-per-minute
    Ran these last life or this life. My thoughts:

    I ran Lava Caves 10 times, recalling when I didn't find a good teleport spot. Not once could I get both the Fire Giant and make quota in the time. It was either one or the other. 4 stars was worth it for first time bonus (~19k IIRC). Subsequent 4-star three runs were ~13k ea. I spent more time recalling/restarting due to bad placement. It's a quest I'll incorporate into my solo XP if I miss a night and need to catch up to my TR crew.

    Extraplanar Palace: At level 18, I couldn't kill the dragon as a fire/lightning specced wizard before running out of SP/time. Could probably do it if I was acid.

    Tomb of the Blighted was great for first time E/H/N bonuses with an arcane. Part of my TR crew hates doing Dreams of Insanity, so this might be the perfect replacement for it. Fast completion of Dreams really hinges on two good arcanes/divines to split up and zerg to the end. It's really painful with just melee.
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    +1. Thanks for the hard work compiling this.

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    +1 from me as well. Followed your guide during my last life and i am going to use it again many times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpone View Post
    Ran these last life or this life. My thoughts:

    I ran Lava Caves 10 times, recalling when I didn't find a good teleport spot. Not once could I get both the Fire Giant and make quota in the time. It was either one or the other. 4 stars was worth it for first time bonus (~19k IIRC). Subsequent 4-star three runs were ~13k ea. I spent more time recalling/restarting due to bad placement. It's a quest I'll incorporate into my solo XP if I miss a night and need to catch up to my TR crew.
    More proof that you need a barb level

    But you probably just need to streamline your purple-checking paths.

    While picking up torches at the start, look down the east corridor and note if there are purples there. Buy two teleports, five kobold workers. If no purples were east, go down central corridor and check the bridge to the west across the canyon for purples. Then look down to see if there are purples with a circle there. All three of these locations having no purples with circles next to them is very rare.

    If you need more teleportings at the end you can set up a teleporter with no torches next to it and the kobolds will rapidly pulse across it.

    Also, were you running out of time at 5 minutes or at 11 minutes? While first learning it there's no shame in buying 3-6 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpone View Post
    Nope, that's the quest progression we use to get to level 4 every single TR. The only thing you didn't list was a 5% XP ship shrine. That doesn't account for your missing 20k though. I added some additional notes to the lower level quests.

    When you complete Recovering the Lost Tome, are you XP capped? You should be before running Information is Key.
    I think not, our first quest I was inattentive with doing screenshots / documenting, we must have missed a repetition somewhere for sure. Thanks for adding infos for the additional boni on the first quests, next time it will work out for sure. Thanks for the great quest road!

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    What do you think the optimal group size is for leveling up?


    Also i wouls suggest looking into the challenges at level 1 you can do buying at level 20up and then take level then do epic buying time at level 25 and then take level 3up and at level 18 you can hit up time is money on level 20 and 21 and get 70k plus xp in about 15 minutes.

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    Maybe I am missing the point of playing this game, but I play the game to have some FUN, (took me a couple of years of casual playing, earning TP for packs, etc. to bring 4 different characters to level 20, and another few months of getting the courage to try any Epics to my first TR toon). What you are describing is not like WORK, but it seems worse the WORK.

    I do appreciate the work that was put into this guide, and I will use it as a reference.

    Please remember this is just a game, probably not meant to be the focus of your life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrdPolack View Post
    Maybe I am missing the point of playing this game, but I play the game to have some FUN, (took me a couple of years of casual playing, earning TP for packs, etc. to bring 4 different characters to level 20, and another few months of getting the courage to try any Epics to my first TR toon). What you are describing is not like WORK, but it seems worse the WORK.

    I do appreciate the work that was put into this guide, and I will use it as a reference.

    Please remember this is just a game, probably not meant to be the focus of your life.
    I know exactly what you are saying, but for some people this sort of thing IS fun. Each to their own really......

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrdPolack View Post
    Maybe I am missing the point of playing this game, but I play the game to have some FUN, (took me a couple of years of casual playing, earning TP for packs, etc. to bring 4 different characters to level 20, and another few months of getting the courage to try any Epics to my first TR toon). What you are describing is not like WORK, but it seems worse the WORK.

    I do appreciate the work that was put into this guide, and I will use it as a reference.

    Please remember this is just a game, probably not meant to be the focus of your life.
    Some people play mini golf and have some fun with a casual game. Some others play mini golf a bit more and there are even few who play mini golf on a professional base. And then there are people who drive it even further and play golf. However you've started and however you decide to play, it's your way how you put your challenge and find some fun in it
    The levels of challenges that people set themselves are indeed very broad and for one who plays on one stage considers the game of a player on a different stage as hard work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrdPolack View Post
    Maybe I am missing the point of playing this game, but I play the game to have some FUN, (took me a couple of years of casual playing, earning TP for packs, etc. to bring 4 different characters to level 20, and another few months of getting the courage to try any Epics to my first TR toon). What you are describing is not like WORK, but it seems worse the WORK.

    I do appreciate the work that was put into this guide, and I will use it as a reference.

    Please remember this is just a game, probably not meant to be the focus of your life.
    Point of playing a game is having fun, especially if we're talking about a hobby (let's say games fall into that category). Now, different people have different concepts of what 'fun' is - for example for a lot of people being efficient, good, whatever you want to call it, at something, is fun in itself.

    I can't talk for other people obviously, but for example, for me personally, your way of playing DDO would be insanely boring - I like to experience as much as possible in a game in as little time, I love metagaming, speedrunning, and such stuff. If I played slower and more 'casually' the game just wouldn't be fun enough for me and I'd move on to something else, just as I'd do with any other hobby (which is exactly what differentiates it from work, for a lot of people work is something they do just to feed themselves and their families, and you can't really expect them to care about being good at it, yet a hobby is something you chose yourself, for me having a hobby doesn't really have much point unless I'm trying to be the best I can be at it, which, for me, equates fun).

    So, as long as you're having fun - it's all good. Just don't pee on other people's ideas of fun, or if you do at least try to be witty and sarcastic about it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragbon View Post
    What do you think the optimal group size is for leveling up?
    3 people using the TR Junkie Leveling Framework is ideal for 95% of the quests.

    Quote Originally Posted by PrdPolack
    Maybe I am missing the point of playing this game, but I play the game to have some FUN, (took me a couple of years of casual playing, earning TP for packs, etc. to bring 4 different characters to level 20, and another few months of getting the courage to try any Epics to my first TR toon). What you are describing is not like WORK, but it seems worse the WORK.

    Please remember this is just a game, probably not meant to be the focus of your life.
    If I wasn't having fun, I wouldn't be playing this game.
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    Added info on when to start holding levels (11, during Shadow Crypt).
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    I figured you probably left this off the list as it's a bit of a lengthy run out there? But if you go on the basis of doing it a few times (usually do E, N5, H personally) on your buffs I find it's not bad. It takes like 2-3 minutes to actually run out.

    With the puzzle giving 200% base xp and completion time (for me soloing) being at around 5 mins, I imagine with a partner you could get it down probably to 3-4 min runs. It's big big xp for its level and the run out would probably justify at least a E, N, H run.

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    Thank you (honestly), I find this very useful... but just not for me.

    I have several problems:

    a) I don't have a static group.

    b) I play at irregular times (work-related and I am European).

    c) I have 2 TRs (one capped again, one WIP) and know some quests very well, some not so well.

    d) I like to play melees...

    But my main problem is:

    e) HOW IN KHYBER DO YOU GET THESE QUESTS DONE SO FAST?!?

    Duoing with a friend I was able to get some fast completions of Delera's part 2 and 4, but nowhere as fast as you guys.

    How are you doing it? Do you have a photographic memory?

    How many times have you run these quests to get them done so fast?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarquine View Post
    Thank you (honestly), I find this very useful... but just not for me.

    I have several problems:

    a) I don't have a static group.

    b) I play at irregular times (work-related and I am European).

    c) I have 2 TRs (one capped again, one WIP) and know some quests very well, some not so well.

    d) I like to play melees...

    But my main problem is:

    e) HOW IN KHYBER DO YOU GET THESE QUESTS DONE SO FAST?!?

    Duoing with a friend I was able to get some fast completions of Delera's part 2 and 4, but nowhere as fast as you guys.

    How are you doing it? Do you have a photographic memory?

    How many times have you run these quests to get them done so fast?!?
    I can't speak for OP, and I haven't acheived quite the times he has, but I have an idea.

    1. Practice.
    2. Casters.
    3. Movement speed increase.
    4. Duo/Trio

    Explanation:

    1. You know when/where you have to do what. You know what buff to cast b4 going around the next corner, etc.. You know where to go and where you don't NEED to go.

    2. Zerg, round up enemies, AOE nuke, repeat. Often times you just invis past anything you don't need to kill. Self healing and immunities of WF are very helpful.

    3. Besides Exp retreat and haste, don't stop moving unless you HAVE to. I'm sure if you watched Carpone play, you would see him only stop to open doors. He would likely always be moving and probably always at haste speed.

    4. You can literally complete some quests in half or a third of the time if you split up to acheive objectives. Examples: New Ringleader- one clears left, one clears right, meet in the middle for boss. Deleras 2- One does main quest, one hits optionals. Deleras 4- Same as Ringleader. One left, one right, meet in middle for boss. Since left is shorter, leave him to do breakables and/or mobs in center. Bloodycrypt- Left and right again. This quest is long if you solo. It's literally half as long or faster with 2 ppl. If you had 5 ppl it would be redonc. 2 in each wing, 1 to get boss. But just splitting for sides makes a big difference. Seeing a pattern?


    All four those make a big difference. Put together? They = ZERG!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarquine View Post
    e) HOW IN KHYBER DO YOU GET THESE QUESTS DONE SO FAST?!?
    Have a static group with solo-capable toons, assign tasks to people and split up. Having nukers in the group certainly helps.

    You don't need a photographic memory for most quests. With little exception, they're very linear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eden2760 View Post
    I figured you probably left this off the list as it's a bit of a lengthy run out there? But if you go on the basis of doing it a few times (usually do E, N5, H personally) on your buffs I find it's not bad. It takes like 2-3 minutes to actually run out.

    With the puzzle giving 200% base xp and completion time (for me soloing) being at around 5 mins, I imagine with a partner you could get it down probably to 3-4 min runs. It's big big xp for its level and the run out would probably justify at least a E, N, H run.
    It's a fine quest for XP, if you know the puzzle. I don't run it because there are better XP/minute quests that don't require the run out there.
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    Library of Threnal E,H (Notes: Invis to end)
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    --take level 13--

    I completed Library of Threnal on E, and tried to abandon to do it on H. It would not let me.

    (Error): You can't abandon the quest while on this goal.

    Any ideas?

    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LFKnowledge View Post
    I completed Library of Threnal on E, and tried to abandon to do it on H. It would not let me.

    (Error): You can't abandon the quest while on this goal.

    Any ideas?

    Thanks.
    You can abandon the quest as it is part of a chain. Abandon the series, I believe listed under The Eastern Excavation.

    And great list OP. Using it as a base for my TR path, modified some as I solo/dual box 95% of the time.
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