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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackyLigar View Post
    it's currently just as balanced as it is in pvm. with the exception of a few skill checks. as for exactly how simple it would be, apparently it already was coded at one point as one early beta player posted, brawling was not exclusive to brawling rooms and could also be done in street fights out in the city. that's all it would take. a simple c/p reversion.

    but hey, when yall come up with points that aren't total fluffy rhetoric echo chamber nonsense, lemmy know. lol
    I dont see anyone else backing that claim of early open pvp and I dont think that poster was an early beta player or at least his join date doesnt indicate it. Mine is likely about as early as you can get.
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    simply applying the already existing tavern brawling room code to apply to a city instance that's held open is nil on the budget. the coding for just one quest that you run once, complain about the loot, and then never run again, vs an insignificant c/p and patch job that adds daily engaging content.... in comparison...... dollars and sense.

    pvp being the most popular aspect in online gaming and it should be neglected so completely in ddo? when it could easily be the most diverse and complicated pvp game ever even as just an after thought? that so sounds like some saboteurs. anyone that says pvp should be removed from ddo should probably be set to ignored by the devs.
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    No to any form of tangible rewards for PvP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackyLigar View Post
    simply applying the already existing tavern brawling room code to apply to a city instance that's held open is nil on the budget. the coding for just one quest that you run once, complain about the loot, and then never run again, vs an insignificant c/p and patch job that adds daily engaging content.... in comparison...... dollars and sense.

    pvp being the most popular aspect in online gaming and it should be neglected so completely in ddo? when it could easily be the most diverse and complicated pvp game ever even as just an after thought? that so sounds like some saboteurs. anyone that says pvp should be removed from ddo should probably be set to ignored by the devs.
    PVP isnt the most popular its just the most for some and most them I really dotn want to game with and where are you basing you information that its a zero budget item to change pvp from tavern to city or instance? I still see noone else talking about city wide pvp there was a time when spells did work in parts of the city to fight the devils but thats not pvp

    YOu have zero to base most of your claims on and most of which your just incorrect about.

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    name one single competitive rpg that has even less pvp than ddo.

    i'm saying it's nil in comparison to make city wide pvp than it is to code one single "trashloot" quest.(btw, quoting "trashloot" as tho it was you whom i was quoting.)

    and most them I really dotn want to game with
    then don't.

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    Easy to code? Ah, you're a dev, sorry missed that.

    Griefing/harassment/reports/bans are part of PvP for you?

    Lack of level restrictions has been a common complaint. Or maybe you're the "gankapaloosa" type.

    Where do you go if you want to just paste someone's code into your engine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackyLigar View Post
    name one single competitive rpg that has even less pvp than ddo.
    Maybe this indicates DDO has a particular niche and has found success with a no real PvP model?

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    i would hear that if it werent that ddo was forced to go free to play and all the people who said as much as you werent moonlighting on tor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinusWyllt View Post
    Easy to code? Ah, you're a dev, sorry missed that.

    Griefing/harassment/reports/bans are part of PvP for you?

    Lack of level restrictions has been a common complaint. Or maybe you're the "gankapaloosa" type.

    Where do you go if you want to just paste someone's code into your engine?
    just plain reductive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Memnir View Post
    No to any form of tangible rewards for PvP.
    Ever.
    cosmetic rewards for pvp, on the other hand, not a bad idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackyLigar View Post
    i would hear that if it werent that ddo was forced to go free to play and all the people who said as much as you werent moonlighting on tor.
    This would be false, actually it was pretty much the opposite. DDO did not go FTP because it was loosing subscriptions, DDO started loosing subscriptions because it was in the middle of litigation over gaining the rights to go free to play, so they stopped producing content for extended periods of time (8-9 months at a shot without content).
    I know , cause I was here.
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    While it's not difficult to figure out, it's a mindless, stupid and eye-bleeding grind. It's not too hard to figure out that is not what this game needs right now. 2-3 million karma ok, there's some pain for your gain. But really, the EPL's are not worth the pain of 6 million XP in off destinies/sphere's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackyLigar View Post
    name one single competitive rpg that has even less pvp than ddo.

    i'm saying it's nil in comparison to make city wide pvp than it is to code one single "trashloot" quest.(btw, quoting "trashloot" as tho it was you whom i was quoting.)


    then don't.
    You have no idea what takes to make pvp city wide and I still say idpt didn't happen before and the amount of pvp ddo had at the start is why many joined you want more than go to where it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cernunan View Post
    This would be false, actually it was pretty much the opposite. DDO did not go FTP because it was loosing subscriptions, DDO started loosing subscriptions because it was in the middle of litigation over gaining the rights to go free to play, so they stopped producing content for extended periods of time (8-9 months at a shot without content).
    I know , cause I was here.

    that doesn't sound very plausible. please cite some articles or some other piece of documentation.

    you were here so you should be able to find it more readily than i.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uska View Post
    You have no idea what takes to make pvp city wide
    if u think i'm so inaccurate please explain what it would take and why it would be so difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackyLigar View Post
    that doesn't sound very plausible. please cite some articles or some other piece of documentation.

    you were here so you should be able to find it more readily than i.
    Keywords: ddo atari litigation

    http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=196705

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...-DDO-Unlimited

    There's more if you want to read it...

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ddo+atari+litigation
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackyLigar View Post
    if u think i'm so inaccurate please explain what it would take and why it would be so difficult.
    Better yet, you could just post the code that they could use to implement your idea.

    It's easy, after all...
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    that does for fact state that they were under litigation for becoming f2p. it also states that they anticipated atari attempting to breach contract for doing so. as far as i read, it does not say why they felt they needed to risk litigation to go free to play anyway. i've read most of the first article, is this information as to their needs in the other posts you cited?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phidius View Post
    Better yet, you could just post the code that they could use to implement your idea.

    It's easy, after all...
    sure, just as soon as i get payed for all the direction ive provided for thus far

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackyLigar View Post
    that does for fact state that they were under litigation for becoming f2p. it also states that they anticipated atari attempting to breach contract for doing so. as far as i read, it does not say why they felt they needed to risk litigation to go free to play anyway. i've read most of the first article, is this information as to their needs in the other posts you cited?
    again your incorrect they were suing atari for not supporting the game they way they should atari was trying to get the case dismissed it had nothing to do with f2p

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackyLigar View Post
    if u think i'm so inaccurate please explain what it would take and why it would be so difficult.
    You have provide no expertise or evidence that it would be easy to do so what skill or experience to you have in programing a MMO?

    I am not a programer nor have I ever been one but in the past I was a hardware specialist for a company that made hard drives for amiga computers

    Nor have you shown that there was open pvp in the past other than quoting one person who said there was I say there wasnt and no one else has supported that statement either. If pvp is so important you then you will always be disapointed here at least thats my prediction and I am sticking to it.

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