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    Default New or want to Epic? Tips Here!

    Here are some quick tips:

    1. Don't be afraid to put up a LFM - LSS, you are not the only one who wants to run a epic. A simple LFM suffices, Epic BoB, Epic TTT, EDA, etc. Often overelaborate lfms are shunned if the name is not known. But that leads on to the second tip...

    2. Know the way to the quest - Call me superstitious. But there is no worse omen then having someone join your pug Epic OOB and ask, "How do you get there again?". Don't make the mistake of seeing loot you want, and immediately throw up a lfm. Come with scrolls/pots and be prepared, for info; DDOwiki.com is a good source.
    Also the Interactive DDO Guide(http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Crafting_Planner) is hands-down the best all-in one tool for the game. Pro Tip: Set it to be "On Top" when needing to play and use the tool at the same time!

    3. Be prepared to fail - Especially this if you consider yourself still green to epics. Most individuals who sport alot of epic gear is because of lots of fails and lots of learning time and time again. Anyone remember using the shield-wall technique for completing Epic OOB?? ::raises hand::
    People benefit now from a wide pool of experience, but, be prepared to put your time in.

    4. Use your words - Be prepared to ask questions when you don't know something. Communication is key. But also know that not everyone knows what they are talking about and there is more than one make-up/way to do a quest or raid. Always keep a open mind, taking people with strange builds or having a goofy makeup is a great way to make friends and have fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talon_Moonshadow View Post
    Bring healing pots!

    Clerics die! People get beat up badly in epics, so cleric SP is also at a premium.
    Help them out! Heal your self.

    And if at all possible have a method of rezzing others.

    Like I said, Clerics die!
    I've seen epics fail for no other reason the the Cleric died, no one could res him, and no one (but me) had any method of self healing at all!




    Don't release!
    you can't get back in. And someone else in your group might just pull off a miracle.
    (and in Epic Chrono the soul stones get transported to a rez shrine on a wipe.)


    Gang up on things!
    Epic mobs have high HP. it works much better if the whole party teams up to kill things one at a time instead of trying to solo kill something.

    And while you do not need some super DC caster, effective CC makes things much easier.
    (and Fighters can CC too)


    Sunder, sunder sunder!
    You may have super Str and never miss, but non-full BaB classes struggle against epic ACs.


    Don't get overconfident!
    This one is for me.
    I see that I am fighting against whimpy Hobgolbins that I was beating up at lvl 4 and I think I can just take em on with no trouble.......then I find out otherwise.

    Related to this is to remember that a lot of players are a whole lot better than you are.
    Other people "can" solo epics. You probably cannot.
    Other people will charge right in and not work as a team....because when they run the same quest with their uber guildies they can do that and still succeed.
    Dount count on that in a PUG of new lvl 20s.

    Epics are doable by new guys, but you need to work together.
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    when making groups dont be narrow minded

    most epics can be done without cc or without heals if people know what to do and work together
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    +1 OP

    Don't see enough people posting helpful posts such as this for the new people running around. With SWtor out and a good portion of our population disapearing because of it, it is important to do what we can to make the new people feel welcome. Kudos player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavek View Post
    when making groups dont be narrow minded

    most epics can be done without cc or without heals if people know what to do and work together
    That is true for easy epics (you don't need CC in snitch, BoB or TTT even in VoN1&2).
    I wouldn't advise people starting epics to run sands without a CC or heal tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by nivarch View Post
    That is true for easy epics (you don't need CC in snitch, BoB or TTT even in VoN1&2).
    I wouldn't advise people starting epics to run sands without a CC or heal tho
    Harder for new players to walking into those and just roll, yes.

    My suggestion is, as a new player, don't step into a group of people who're saying they're gonna do it one way or without a 'required' class, and start whining because you're 'supposed' to do it another way. It's simple - just drop, or stay around and maybe learn something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taimasan View Post

    3. Be prepared to fail - Especially if this is you consider yourself still green to epics. Most individuals who sport alot of epic gear is because of lots of fails and lots of learning time and time again. Anyone remember using the shield-wall technique for completing Epic OOB?? ::raises hand::
    People benefit now from a wide pool of experience, but, be prepared to put your time in.
    This is good advice for the entire game. People would rather have their autocompletion however and plow onto the boards asking for difficulty to be lowered so the less experienced players can complete sans effort.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    This is good advice for the entire game. People would rather have their autocompletion however and plow onto the boards asking for difficulty to be lowered so the less experienced players can complete sans effort.
    Agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taimasan View Post
    4. Use your words
    LOL - as a parent I can't help but think of my kids when a quest goes down in flames and the players are all acting like children, lashing out, growling, faces red in frustration - but failing to actually talk either before or after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parowan View Post
    LOL - as a parent I can't help but think of my kids when a quest goes down in flames and the players are all acting like children, lashing out, growling, faces red in frustration - but failing to actually talk either before or after.
    I agree here. If you aren't having fun win or fail, then what is the point of playing? Doesn't make sense to spend time on something that makes you act like a child when things don't go your way. I guess there will always be those people though.
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    Thanks for this thread - I was looking for one just like it.

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    Bring healing pots!

    Clerics die! People get beat up badly in epics, so cleric SP is also at a premium.
    Help them out! Heal your self.

    And if at all possible have a method of rezzing others.

    Like I said, Clerics die!
    I've seen epics fail for no other reason the the Cleric died, no one could res him, and no one (but me) had any method of self healing at all!




    Don't release!
    you can't get back in. And someone else in your group might just pull off a miracle.
    (and in Epic Chrono the soul stones get transported to a rez shrine on a wipe.)


    Gang up on things!
    Epic mobs have high HP. it works much better if the whole party teams up to kill things one at a time instead of trying to solo kill something.

    And while you do not need some super DC caster, effective CC makes things much easier.
    (and Fighters can CC too)


    Sunder, sunder sunder!
    You may have super Str and never miss, but non-full BaB classes struggle against epic ACs.


    Don't get overconfident!
    This one is for me.
    I see that I am fighting against whimpy Hobgolbins that I was beating up at lvl 4 and I think I can just take em on with no trouble.......then I find out otherwise.

    Related to this is to remember that a lot of players are a whole lot better than you are.
    Other people "can" solo epics. You probably cannot.
    Other people will charge right in and not work as a team....because when they run the same quest with their uber guildies they can do that and still succeed.
    Dount count on that in a PUG of new lvl 20s.

    Epics are doable by new guys, but you need to work together.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jandric View Post
    ..., but I honestly think the solution is to group with less whiny people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talon_Moonshadow View Post
    Bring healing pots!

    Clerics die! People get beat up badly in epics, so cleric SP is also at a premium.
    Help them out! Heal your self.

    And if at all possible have a method of rezzing others.
    Being able to raise at least once per shrine is IMO absolutely necessary in Epics (outside the easiest ones).

    Healing potions? Much less so. They are useless in combat, and out of combat they take too long to use.

    Do, however, bring Haste potions. If you are in trouble, Cure Serious potions won't help you, but quaffing a Haste pot and kiting the already aggroed mobs like a maniac often will. It is, after all, never any longer than 30 seconds until Wail of the Banshee comes off cooldown.
    I don't have a zerging problem.

    I'm zerging. That's YOUR problem.

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    I lol'ed hard at 'use your words'

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