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    Quote Originally Posted by brian14 View Post
    Maybe you should concentrate on Amrath quests more :0
    Yea, Sins can be pretty crazy.

    My method of hammering out larges (haven't needed to in ages... though I should head back there soon :/ ) from sins is ~10-15 or so "normal" [by this I mean checking side chests] runs (on Elite, cuz vendor trash can be nice, ~10-12mins, check all chests) Swap to another boss at 7 runs- Usually quit at this point though sometimes I continue to:

    5-7 runs per remaining boss [read: until I decide to do a raid/eat food/ do real life related things] (ignoring the extra chests now as many are now ransacked, OR if I am being non-lazy that day ill log all the chests I hit and only check the non-ransacked rooms) approx 5-7 mins per run if ignoring the side chests / following my log so I don't check the same one repeatedly(elite still, vendor trash is nice.. and difficulty in sins barely does anything)

    New invason N/H can be good too, usually 8-10 mins a run ~3 chests for sure at the end (need knock for the one above the hole), usually can get 1 extra while doing the quest at a nice pace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darknark View Post
    Yea, Sins can be pretty crazy.

    My method of hammering out larges (haven't needed to in ages... though I should head back there soon :/ ) from sins is ~10-15 or so "normal" runs (Elite vendor trash can be nice, ~10-12mins, check all chests) Swap to another boss at 7 runs-
    How on Earth..???

    Sins takes me close to an hour every time, I always use all shrines, and at least once per run have to drag my hireling's stone to a res shrine -- in addition to raising him/her with my 1/rest clickie. Are you an AoE sorc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by brian14 View Post
    How on Earth..???

    Sins takes me close to an hour every time, I always use all shrines, and at least once per run have to drag my hireling's stone to a res shrine -- in addition to raising him/her with my 1/rest clickie. Are you an AoE sorc?
    I navigated to www.youtube.com

    Typed in "Sins of Attrition"

    Sorted by newest first.

    I got three fairly recent links that were sub fifteen minutes. Here, here, and here.

    Didn't actually watch them, but they're all Elite supposely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brian14 View Post
    Are you an AoE sorc?
    Yep, though I'm one of those [apparently] hated 18/2 multiclass builds . With torc and conc opp I don't bother shrining, and the mobs hit for close to nothing damage wise... don't even bother displacing. If the 'horde' following me is large enough I'll wear my Dod and nuke them... if not I'll just keep running.

    Of course, my fanatical obsession with getting more HP on my sorc helps with absorbing damage as well....

    Its a pretty nice XP zerg at level too, easily 1k+ a min.
    When I was xp farming it I skipped the side chests, I'd rather have 5-6 mins a run than 10-12.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausdoerrt View Post
    Would be better if you could combine smaller ingredients into bigger ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhgiant View Post
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    Not really.... then you'd just farm part 1-3 to ransack.. maybe add part 4 in.. though 50% of a large might not be worth the time if your hitting all the other chests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darknark View Post
    Yep, though I'm one of those [apparently] hated 18/2 multiclass builds .
    Ah, yes. Agordmils. Nice to know, as one of my toons is a sorc/paladin! Currently 9/2, eventually 18/2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brian14 View Post
    Ah, yes. Agordmils. Nice to know, as one of my toons is a sorc/paladin! Currently 9/2, eventually 18/2.
    Nice, I have a buddy who made one of those and he liked it.
    I debated it and in the end chose % DR over + ~13-15 to all saves.. though the cha bonus to all saves is a very nice boost.

    Just gotta be careful in EDQ2, as lawful good, due to the extra damage, and I intended on running that a lot so it influenced my decision as well(My post-cometfall two man attempts failed at 70% and then at 45%.. stupid telekinesis is the only thing that gets me in there - more saves would be nice... but higher damage might change my ability to survive her hits, haven't re-attempted )

    Also, @ OP. Im stopping the off topic stuff now .
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    The issue is that only Shroud drops ingredients and it makes green steel boring to farm. While this is untrue, other quests drop ingredients, I think the major fix would be to make those other quests drop them AT A MUCH HIGHER RATE.

    All the Amarath Quests. 1/2 drop rate at the end chest, small on normal, medium on hard, and large on elite, would be pretty fair for the difficulty. Result? More quest being run, on elite, all the time. Farming of more than one quest every three days = win.

    Would this pose some problems? Maybe. You could farm them off timer much easier, maybe getting enough ingredients to make an item in 1 week instead of 2 months. Heck, hard core gamers could probably do it in 1 day. But is that REALLY a problem? Not IMO, they're working harder and doing more challenging quests for the benefit. They just aren't "grinding" which is NOT a challenge, just a time sink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countfitz View Post
    Would this pose some problems? Maybe. You could farm them off timer much easier, maybe getting enough ingredients to make an item in 1 week instead of 2 months. Heck, hard core gamers could probably do it in 1 day. But is that REALLY a problem? Not IMO, they're working harder and doing more challenging quests for the benefit. They just aren't "grinding" which is NOT a challenge, just a time sink.
    This would cause more than a few people to:

    1) Log on boxes
    2) Kill them in the quest
    3) Pickup soulstones and zerg to the end skipping side chests
    4) ???
    5) Profit.

    I do like the idea of boosting Amrath drop rates.. though if it was as high as 1/2 per end chest I (and many others) would just accept the dungeon scaling and box it for more larges in less time. (not complaining though... I still could make another 4 or 5 dual shard items and some situational single shard ones)

    It would drop the prices of larges significantly

    And the "Time/cost : Power" value of GS (and GS is quite powerful) compared to Epic weapons or crafted items would be changed incredibly.

    Then again, more people having a 45hp item can only be a good thing.. and in a non-pvp game "balance" isn't as much of a concern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countfitz View Post
    The issue is that only Shroud drops ingredients and it makes green steel boring to farm.
    Depends on a person. I find Shroud runs quite entertaining -- mostly with other players being the entertainment.

    Vale quests for base items though... If I rate how much I enjoy the quest on 1-5 scale:

    5: nothing in Vale pack (Acute Delirium, Undermine, etc)
    4: Shroud, Running with the Devils
    3: Rainbow, Ritual Sacrifice
    2: Coal Chamber
    1: Sleeping Dust -- tolerable with a fun party; few times I tried to solo it I quit out of sheer boredom
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    I trade things for scales. To hell with farming for mats.

    And yes, please bring out the decon. I have a cleansed supreme tyrant to crush; a long ago series of bad decisions that still haunts my bank space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Such755 View Post
    I think there should be a way to deconstruct GS.
    As some others have noted, we're working on this. Not super soon, as we want to be careful when touching anything with Green Steel and not break it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vargouille View Post
    As some others have noted, we're working on this. Not super soon, as we want to be careful when touching anything with Green Steel and not break it.
    Sounds good to me.

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    If you've got a relatively well-geared toon and you're relying on Shroud to make GS items, you're doing it wrong. It's closer now that you can semi-reliably get a large from the end reward in Shroud, but I still think EDA is a superior method.

    Get a group of guildies/friends together and start running EDA regularly. It's more beneficial than relying solely on Shrouds for a couple reasons. One is the two epic tokens for about 45 minutes work. That's awesome. But other than that, you often get larges out of one or two of the chests at the end AND there is other useful stuff like the special Augment crystals, which can usually be sold for one or more larges (you can probably get 2-3 LDS out of a Devil's Ruin crystal if you luck into one). If you are really lucky and pull silver-threaded handwraps, that will go a long way towards buying all your ingredients.

    So pretty much, I agree with Jendrak that the method of acquiring ingredients is fine. Just perfect the deconstruction and leave everything else alone. If they start tampering with the acquisition of GS ingredients, they will be messing with the entire economy because large ingredients (which are often traded up to or along with FRDS) are the main currency used for large trades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vargouille View Post
    As some others have noted, we're working on this. Not super soon, as we want to be careful when touching anything with Green Steel and not break it.
    As i stated before, let Lama have it for a long while also just to try to get it to break.

    I know there are a few million permutations that can be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vargouille View Post
    As some others have noted, we're working on this. Not super soon, as we want to be careful when touching anything with Green Steel and not break it.
    I'm more worried about what *else* you break when you touch greensteel crafting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vargouille View Post
    As some others have noted, we're working on this. Not super soon, as we want to be careful when touching anything with Green Steel and not break it.
    I appreciate your efforts, but this isn't mandatory as materials can be farmed and traded. Sure, it is a respectable asset to the game, but prestige enhancements for classes are far more important than reversal of some crafting system because that's something waited for years. This Shroud item deconstruction seems interesting, but I think it's just a surge of optimism - "hey, let's do that... it would be so cool!"

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    I can't stand the challenge system, and I hated Mabar and Crystal Cove. It's a ton of pointless running around where some classes are awesome and others are pointless so that you can do some silly activities that don't feel anything like epic questing that I associate with DDO.

    The Shroud, however, is a fun quest (although part 1 can get a little tedious) because it includes mental puzzles, challenges to inexperienced players and ample opportunity to laugh and joke with your friends. I'd rather run the shroud until my keyboard breaks and my fingers bleed than run a challenge at all...

    If you hate the shroud that much, maybe you're running it with the wrong people?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jwdaniels View Post
    I can't stand the challenge system, and I hated Mabar and Crystal Cove. It's a ton of pointless running around where some classes are awesome and others are pointless so that you can do some silly activities that don't feel anything like epic questing that I associate with DDO.

    The Shroud, however, is a fun quest (although part 1 can get a little tedious) because it includes mental puzzles, challenges to inexperienced players and ample opportunity to laugh and joke with your friends. I'd rather run the shroud until my keyboard breaks and my fingers bleed than run a challenge at all...

    If you hate the shroud that much, maybe you're running it with the wrong people?
    On the flip side, at least with the Challenges you can grind for a week or two and then know you'll get what you're after. With most of the epics, there's no guarantee you'll ever get what you're after. That's especially true with anything out of VON or Sands. I am not denying that Challenges are horribly dull, but at least you know that you will eventually reach the goal you set out for.

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