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    The op is right in some, more obvious cases, but most of his post if funny
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    This post made me LOL

    If u play a melee class and roll a Wf, you have some serious mental issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calebro View Post
    aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this is where I stopped reading
    also this one :-)
    +1, sir

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    Don't forget LoH hits a WF twice; one based on their healing amp and one at 100% repair unaffected by amp.
    Self-healing for 406 while you hit the max-dps-no-amp-horc-barbarian for 192 with a LoH at level 14 just feels right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenpai View Post
    Don't forget LoH hits a WF twice; one based on their healing amp and one at 100% repair unaffected by amp.
    Self-healing for 406 while you hit the max-dps-no-amp-horc-barbarian for 192 with a LoH at level 14 just feels right.
    retracted because ima stupid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobgoblin View Post
    no.

    make sure of your facts before you post.

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    What do you mean "no"?

    214+192=406
    I'd be hitting a no amp Horc for 192 (211 if they have the ship buff).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenpai View Post
    [img]I'd be hitting a no amp Horc for 192 (211 if they have the ship buff).
    when did they change this? i ran a wf pally up to cap about a year and a half ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenpai View Post
    Don't forget LoH hits a WF twice; one based on their healing amp and one at 100% repair unaffected by amp.
    Self-healing for 406 while you hit the max-dps-no-amp-horc-barbarian for 192 with a LoH at level 14 just feels right.
    It doesn't say anything about this anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobgoblin View Post
    when did they change this? i ran a wf pally up to cap about a year and a half ago.

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    From what I remember, around the time they changed the vitals bars to show hp&sp/around when artis came out.
    Then again I am awful at keeping track of time, so it may have been months prior to/after my estimate.



    Quote Originally Posted by gerardIII View Post
    It doesn't say anything about this anywhere.
    Doesn't say anything about what?
    I provided digital evidence 2 posts prior showing that I was in fact getting healed twice; once based off of my current healing amp (111.8%), once based off of my repair amp (100%).
    Level 14 Paladin with 26 CHA = (10+14) * 8 = 192 points
    192 * 1.118 = 214 points
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calebro View Post
    aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this is where I stopped reading
    I can't believe u miss the point of the OP because his numbers r inaccurate. The fact of the matter is: In almost ALL game situations WF is the superior race choice.

    All u flamers wanna talk about game choices and whatnot then flame-on when someone states the obvious about a race simply because he doesn't know/understand completely the math involved (as if u do!)

    I have run both fleshy and WarFordged and I can tell u at least in TR (ALL GAME CONTENT EXCEPT EPIC) the WF>Fleshy!!!!!

    So to the OP, U have a point....I don't run my fleshy sorc anymore (except for renoun farming) for this very reason! Compared to the ability to self heal at sorc casting speed +1 dc to ur 2000 pt damage spell is MEANINGLESS!!!!!

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    So I heard they are nerfing WF :3
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    Just my take on this. WF is the master race for newbies/casual players. Lots racial bonus/immunity, make the casual players (aka, not as well geared players) easy to start the game.

    The con are very well balanced with the pro IMO. No racial weapon (which sadden me compare to 3.5 dnd had some much idea can be work into ddo), and difficult to heal make them not the best choice for melee (still good, just not the best).

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    What I really want to cry for WF is how similar to other race it is. For any one who played 3.5 dnd would knows WF should have different item slots with other race (both pro and con). And for a race created for war, there should have tons racial weapon for them (remember armsword, armbow, wand, spear...etc).

    Damage reduction also work differently in ddo and dnd. Ddo much nerf the damage reduction which sucks for wf and barbarian. Which bring up my biggest complain: WHERE IS MY WF JUGGERNAUT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldnoob View Post
    Which bring up my biggest complain: WHERE IS MY WF JUGGERNAUT?
    Juggernauts are immune to healing, good luck getting into any groups.

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    Wow this post makes it clear why posting in the ddo forums is a very scary idea. Lurking is much healthier.

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    can get 10% stacking fort from the ml4 stalwart trinket from cove,
    can cannith craft ml3 moderate fort and ml7 heavy fort
    pale master can get +100% fort with zombie form at lvl 6

    underwater breathe- other than the red puzzle in twilight forge there isn't 1 place you need waterbreathing

    racial toughness enhancement - pretty sure all races get these, I know humans get 3 of them, and a free feat so if you were that concerned with hp a human could take another toughness.

    wf are immune to everything - this is true except that there are rare exceptions, so following the 'you dont need restore pots' stratagy isnt good.

    auto stablize- an free diehard feat... - one of the more worthless feats, but yeah

    lord of blade deity - completely outclassed by human evoker

    I have never seen an lfm for elite waterworks, 'need wf tank'...

    The best tanks for easy end game content would be monks with crazy high heal amp and ac
    The best tanks for hard end game content is a sack of hp with high heal amp, again not a wf

    good in all areas was the selling point of humans, now helves are even better

    wf are good first life casters and low level melee builds.



    Edit, actually the best thing about wf is immunity to level drain, you forgot to mention that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vordax View Post
    Juggernauts are immune to healing, good luck getting into any groups.

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    WFs are good for 2 things :
    -TRing and leveling :
    all your fine immunities ? i have them on fleshies at endgame .
    know how to gear a toon, to carry pots ,buffs and clickies
    -Arcanes : Sorc ,arty ,wiz.
    For the reconstruct easy button.

    For the rest ?
    basically the worst choice possible...except fvs .
    And even on fvs , good battleclerics (i know very very rare ) are better melee/healers/offensive (not or ,and ;p )
    and fvs dot tanks are far better on Helves and humans.on wf ..its just ...pathetic.
    The heal amp flaw is not a flaw ,its just...awful and make them gimps in anything that cannot cast reconstruct.
    Barbs being barely playable...

    Sorry ,this thread is..just arrogant and wrong.
    when you say that you are the best ,and why ,try also to think how it could be wrong.
    Here ,it's obvious .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vordax View Post
    Juggernauts are immune to healing, good luck getting into any groups.
    Am I the only one who doesn't see a problem with this?
    Quote Originally Posted by vermentto View Post
    Sorry ,this thread is..just arrogant and wrong.
    Arrogant? Quite possibly. I think you'd be arrogant too, if you were a part of the master race.

    Wrong? Uhh.. How can gods be wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by decease View Post
    -2 wis- a dump stats even to most fvs and cleric..
    ...
    yea..true..cleric do have some decent cc.. but not even close comparing with arcane caster
    Are you serious? Yes, there are some melee FVS and a few noobs who think charisma is useful but that's about it. The rest max wisdom
    Clerics and esp. FVS get closer to arcances than you think. I beileve a 45 implosion base DC (without pots) is enough to kill some stuff. I recently outkilled a 3rd life wiz on my 3rd life cleric in Last Stand and that cleric is not even geared as an evoker.
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