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    Ok so here is a little work in progress, feedback is very welcome, but I do have one request: If you aren't 100% sure something does not stack, say so in your post so it can be researched. Do not claim something does not stack if you don't know for sure.

    The goal I have with this guide is giving players an easy list of sources that increase ability stats. Sometimes you might need just that little extra in a stat and wonder how you could get it, or maybe you just want to squeeze out that little bit of extra power.

    Method: to keep the list short and to show how powerful you can get in any ability stat, I have listed the most powerful combinations that lead to the highest final number. This means that there are lesser-versions of several items and feats then listed here. It also means there are some feats that are not listed because they do not stack with things on the list.

    Basic package same for each class:
    +6 - Ability points on level up (4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24)
    +2 - Completionist Feat
    +5 - Ability tome
    +8 - enhancement bonus on equipment
    +2 - Ship buffs
    +2 - Inspire excellence bard song
    +2 - Greater ability feat x2 (epic levels)
    = +27 base package

    Strength
    +27 - base package
    +20 - Base strength (Half orc)
    +2 - Half orc strength (enhancement))
    +2 - Barbarian capstone Enhancement
    +1 - Exceptional bonus (equipment)
    +3 - Insight bonus (equipment)
    +2 - Untyped from Frenzy berserker III set (equipment)
    +8 - Rage (Feat)
    +4 - Power Rage (Enhancement)
    +2 - Orc Power Rage (enhancement)
    +2 - Madstone boots clickie
    +2 - Madstone rage proc. (stacks with clickie)
    +8 - Bloodrage (equipment/scourge choker)
    +2 - Frenzy (enhancement)
    +4 - Death Frenzy (enhancement)
    +4 - Berserker's Fury (Clicky)
    +2 - Yugoloth Potion (item)
    +2 - DDO Store Potion/Collectable Bulls might wonder potion (item)
    +2 - Rage (Spell)
    +4 - Alchemical bonus (fabricator's Bracers)
    +4 - Profane bonus (Hezrou Cookie)
    +6 - Psyonic bonus (Titan Cookie)
    +6 - Orc fury (+8 if not raged, must be below 10% hp)
    +10 - Joy of the Queen (shiradi)
    +3 - Strength destiny x3
    =132 strength

    Constitution
    +27 - Base package
    +20 - base constitution (warforged, dwarf)
    +4 - alchemical (tensers transformation)
    +2 - yugo (edible/clickable)
    +3 - insightful bonus (equipment))
    +1 - exceptional bonus (equipment)
    +1 - litany of the dead (equipment)
    +3 - profane (abishai set)
    +2 - untyped bonus (set bonus frenzied berserker)
    +4 - alchemical (Fabricators bracers)
    +4 - profane (Hezrou cookie)
    +8 - bloodrage (eqeuipment/scourge choker)
    +4 - madstone boot clickie (equipment)
    +4 - madstone effect (stacks with clickie)
    +2 - racial enhancement (dwarf/warforged)
    +3 - barbarian constitution III (enhancement)
    +2 - DDO store potion (item)
    +3 - Twisted epic destiny constitution
    +10 - Joy of the Queen (shiradi)
    =109

    Dexterity
    +27 - Base package
    +20 - base stats (elf/drow elf/halfling)
    +4 - alchemical (tenser/fabricator's bracers)
    +2 - yugoloth potion (item)
    +3 - insightful bonus (equipment)
    +1 - exceptional bonus (equipment)
    +1 - litany of the dead (equipment)
    +4 - Acrobrat I showtime (rogue enhancement)
    +2 - Rogue cap stone (feat) or air stance (monk feat)
    +4 - Profane bonus (Hezrou cookie)
    +2 - Racial enhancement (elf, half-elf, halfling)
    +3 - Class enhancement (Ranger/rogue)
    +2 - DDO store potion (item)
    +3 - Twisted epic destiny dexterity
    +10 - Joy of the Queen (Shiradi destiny)
    =88

    Intelligence
    +27 - base package
    +20 - base int (drow)
    +3 - insight bonus (equipment)
    +2 - yugoloth potion (item)
    +2 - DDO store potion (item)
    +1 - litany of the dead (equipment)
    +3 - enhancement (artificer/wizard)
    +2 - wizard/rogue cap stone (feat)
    +1 - exceptional bonus (equipment)
    +3 - intelligence destiny twist x3
    +2 - lich form (enhancement)
    +4 - abishai destroyer (equipment)
    +3 - alchemical bonus (collectables potion)
    +3 - Twisted epic destiny constitution
    +10 - Joy of the Queen (Shiradi destiny)
    =86


    CHARISMA:
    stats
    +27 - Base package
    +20 - base charisma (drow elf)
    +3 - enhancement (bard charisma III/fvs charisma/sorcerer/paladin)
    +1 - exeptional bonus (equipment)
    +3 - insight bonus (equipment)
    +1 - lithany of the dead (equipment)
    +2 - bard cap stone/fvs cap stone (feat)
    +4 - Profane bonus (abishai destroyer cookie)
    +2 - yugoloth potion (item)
    +2 - DDO store potion (item)
    +3 - alchemical bonus (collectable potion)
    +4 - Abishai Destroyer (equipment)
    +6 - Epic destiny
    +2(4) - turn of the tide (destiny)
    +1 - Echoes of the ancestors (destiny)
    +3 - Twisted epic destiny charisma
    +10 - Joy of the Queen (shiradi)
    =94

    Wisdom
    +27 - base package
    +18 - base wisdom
    +1 - human adaptability (enhancement)
    +2 - yugoloth potion (item)
    +3 - Insightful bonus (equipment)
    +1 - exceptional bonus (equipment)
    +4 - Grandmaster of oceans (monk enhancement)
    +2 - Alchemical weapon (monkfriendly equipment)
    +1 - litany of the dead (equipment)
    +4 - Abishai destroyer (equipment)
    +2 - druid capstone/monk capstone (feat)
    +2 - DDO store potion (item)
    +3 - alchemical bonus (potion of wonder)
    +3 - enhancement (cleric wisdom III/druid wisdom III/monk wisdom III)
    +2 - Twisted epic destiny wisdom x2
    +2 - Twisted epic destiny acute instincts
    +10 - Joy of the Queen (Shiradi)
    = 87 < missing a ton, but where?
    Last edited by AidanRyuko; 03-31-2013 at 02:01 AM.

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    Why are you counting a Bard Buff in the "Base Package"?

    Could say the same for the Ship Buffs to be honest!

    These aren't Base!

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    Dear Aidan,

    in charisma you have counted drow 20 base and human enhancements +2. Dont think its possible to be drow and human :P

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    @fran, the base package consists of things that affect each ability stat and is the same for each one, that's why I did add completionist and ship buffs for example but did not add the base stats upon creation because these aren't the same (charisma has 18 max base stats)

    @bo, you are right, fixed

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    Quote Originally Posted by AidanRyuko View Post
    @fran, the base package consists of things that affect each ability stat and is the same for each one, that's why I did add completionist and ship buffs for example but did not add the base stats upon creation because these aren't the same (charisma has 18 max base stats)

    @bo, you are right, fixed
    Drow get +2 Charisma!

    I think you meant Wisdom!

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    yes I did mean wisdom, prolly mixed it up because I had to edit something on charisma

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    Quote Originally Posted by AidanRyuko View Post
    yes I did mean wisdom, prolly mixed it up because I had to edit something on charisma
    Wanna see how far you can go with this? Figure out the theoretical max attributes for each race with a complementary class set-up. For instance, it seems clear that the very best possible single score you can attain for a Horc is from a pure Barbarian in Strength. Okay, so going with that race/class combo, see what his max stats in all the other categories could be and then repeat for each race.

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    Str looks ok, tho you have both rage spell and orc fury, tho you noted the non stacking. Might wanna list the bonus types (Morale) or not have both since you said up top your only counting the highest.

    Con:
    Inspire excellence in there, but also in base package
    Missing Madstone (8)
    Missing Blood Rage (8)

    Wis:
    Abishai Destroyer +4 (Note on that, it's listed as a Profane bonus, but it's actually untyped as I stacked it with litany, Tho I tested that last over a year ago, maybe fixed now)

    Cha:
    +2 - human enhancement? No.. Human Versatility can only give +1, to two seperate stats, you cant select the same one twice. Drow wins due to that.

    A note on str:
    Realisticly the highest str destiny is actually fatesinger, as it gives +8 (6 base, +1 innate above X hp, +1 while raged).
    The 10 from shiradis cant really be gotten with all the other bonuses without extreme luck, as youd have to get it, then within 5min line up all the other buffs inside a quest.

    To add more complication, for the non-str/con scores, you could get higher scores in town by getting the queen buff, then swapping destinies. (cant with str/con as tons of the buffs are dungeon-only).
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    - Is there a +6 from EDs in your primary destiny (Shadowdancer or Shiradi) that's included somewhere I'm missing for every ability score?

    Dex:
    - I think you're missing +4 from the Acrobat I's Showtime.
    - I think you need to replace 'Half-Elf' with 'Drow' in all the max dex race listings EDIT: Oh, and remove 'human' too - I think that's just a typo though.

    It's maybe also worth saying that Wind Stance is +2 Dex (as a mutually exclusive alternative to the Rogue capstone).
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    Quote Originally Posted by AidanRyuko View Post

    Intelligence
    +27 - base package
    +20 - base int (drow)
    +3 - insight bonus (equipment)
    +2 - yugoloth potion
    +2 - DDO store potion
    +1 - litany of the dead (equipment
    +3 - enhancement (artificer/wizard)
    +2 - wizard/rogue cap stone
    +1 - exceptional bonus (equipment)
    +3 - intelligence destiny twist x3
    +2 - lich form
    +4 - abishai
    +3 - alchemical bonus (collectables potion)
    +3 - Twisted epic destiny constitution
    +10 - Joy of the Queen (Shiradi destiny)
    =86

    Hey man, thx for putting this together, just some minor correction: you listed +3 twisted ED con so the max is at 83

    Wisdom
    +27 - base package
    +18 - base wisdom
    +2 - yugoloth potion
    +3 - Insightful bonus (equipment)
    +1 - exceptional bonus (equipment)
    +1 - litany of the dead (equipment)
    +2 - druid capstone/monk capstone
    +2 - DDO store potion
    +3 - alchemical bonus (potion of wonder)
    +3 - enhancement (cleric wisdom III/druid wisdom III/monk wisdom III)
    +3 - Twisted epic destiny wisdom x3
    +10 - Joy of the Queen
    = 75 < missing a ton, but where?
    water stance = +4
    alchemical weapon (centered) w/ +2 wis
    acute instincts would be a +2 wis twist rather than +1 so you get an extra one from here = +1
    another +1 from human enh. = +1+
    abishai bonus so +4
    so you can add 12 more for 87 wis. Maybe pol can tell us what we are missing as he was able to get 5 more (no completionist), although the +5 might come from dual joys of the queen.

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    just going to deal with stacking

    str: no problem there

    con: inspire excellence listed twice, litany of the dead is a +1 profane bonus that shouldn't stack (testing required)

    dex: litany of the dead as above

    int: litany

    cha: drop human, get rid of human enhancement (it's only a +1 by the way, mentioned in a above post), you can drop sorc and pal off the list (due to cap stone), litany (and abishai destroyer listed twice)

    wis: drop cleric off the list (due to cap stone)

    other then that great list and good job, the work you did on the is greatly appeciated

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    @shade, thanks for the feedback, I won't add the realistic fatesinger feats on the list but it's great to have that kind of stuff in the comments when people are looking for ways to raise their stats and want an alternative.

    @death you can pick an ability ED every tier right? though I'm not the most experienced in ED's (I always TR right when I hit 20) I think these do stack with 3 twists from another ED? do have to check exactly who gets what ability combo

    @sym, thanks for the additional stuff =) I added all except the abishai, I already had that on there

    @soth, will check the litany thing, fixed con, what cleric thing?

    So, edited in the new numbers but the final number might be off right now, I'll check it tonight because I have to get to my job right now.

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    it's more of a streamlining of the list than any thing else, but in some of the lists it offers up multiple sources for getting a bonus (e.g. wisdom enhancements) that have non-optimal choices listed due to being precluded elsewhere on the list. Then again that could just be my o.c.d. speaking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soth13 View Post
    it's more of a streamlining of the list than any thing else, but in some of the lists it offers up multiple sources for getting a bonus (e.g. wisdom enhancements) that have non-optimal choices listed due to being precluded elsewhere on the list. Then again that could just be my o.c.d. speaking
    an option that comes to mind for me is adding a list below the main list with all the stuff that did NOT make it so people can check that if they did not find what they are looking for in the main list. This way it would also keep the main list clean and easy to read.

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    I find it interesting that with that over-the-top zany stars-aligned Intel, a wizard would only have a 57 DC on heightened spells outside any focused school. (10+9+38 mod)

    Seems....meh to be honest.

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    Charisma...
    +6 - Epic destiny
    +2(4) - turn of the tide (destiny)
    +1 - Echoes of the ancestors (destiny)
    +3 - Twisted epic destiny charisma
    +10 - Joy of the Queen (shiradi)
    To get +6 from an Epic Destiny, you need to be in either an Arcane or Divine destiny, and not in Shiradi for Joy of the Queen.

    Mutually exclusive is non-stacking, right?
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