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    Default could a sorceror beat 300 barbarians in any arena in one round?

    I think so

    60% displacement
    100% fort
    300% movement speed from things like expeditious retreat and shadow walk
    aoe instakill (shock ball with metamagic feats on) on less than 2 second cooldown
    the blink air savants get at third prestige

    around 500 base hp
    can heal self at the pace a pally can lay on hands

    he could win without having to heal himself once, and maybe without getting hit once. He could probably win without even moving from his spawn and inch

    i guess its realistic but you could also do something were the twelve disables some uses of magic in arena or something if you wanted the lore to be correct and pvp balanced
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    Im not even sure how to reply to this....

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    All I have to say is your thoughts of movment speed buff stacking couldn't be wronger. The best a pure sorc can achieve is 150% base speed with phiarlan pendant of time.
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    Not if all the Barbs have Lightning Strike throwers.

    Also, you really don't understand how stacking works. A sorc can get 50% displacement, and +50% movement speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkyle View Post
    Not if all the Barbs have Lightning Strike throwers.

    Also, you really don't understand how stacking works. A sorc can get 50% displacement, and +50% movement speed.
    imagine the lag? let alone fitting 300 barbarians into the brawling pits where is the sorc going to run to? over the heads of all the barbs?

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    In general, casters with AOE spells can defeat huge numbers of melee players in a PVP arena. But in the super-lopsided example you describe, the barbs will win in one of a few ways: either all use a thrower weapon at the same time, or Sprint Boost and come in from different directions trying to Trip.

    Actually for best results, half would use each method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelus_dead View Post
    In general, casters with AOE spells can defeat huge numbers of melee players in a PVP arena. But in the super-lopsided example you describe, the barbs will win in one of a few ways: either all use a thrower weapon at the same time, or Sprint Boost and come in from different directions trying to Trip.

    Actually for best results, half would use each method.
    Use stunning blow instead of trip, the example he used seems to indicate Air Savant III which trip won't work on.


    But ya other than that, the Barbs would win at the very least by sheer numbers/probability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelus_dead View Post
    In general, casters with AOE spells can defeat huge numbers of melee players in a PVP arena. But in the super-lopsided example you describe, the barbs will win in one of a few ways: either all use a thrower weapon at the same time, or Sprint Boost and come in from different directions trying to Trip.
    Yup.

    I used to PvP all the time on a melee barbarian for kicks, and throwers are half the reason why I could win against ranged characters. Not that throwers themselves could kill anything, but they were an amazing distraction that required them to constantly be healing themselves instead of hitting me.

    That and I'd only ever PvP in house D, which is inherently favorable to melee characters.
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    The sorc could win if he got a stack of store pots. The barbs could win if they bought store cakes.

    J/K. I'm just trying to get the flamers that have been around on it.

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    Congratulations, you've found one of the many reasons why this game is as pvp-centric as it is.

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    Not if he got harried from all that dungeon alert.
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    "you have angered many players...."


    Pvp red alert... lol

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    Are you talking about PnP? If so then yes, any PREPARED lwizard or sorceror could wipe the floor with any number of barbarians.

    If you are talking about DDO, then a single bowbarian would make short work of your piddly HP, much less 300 of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xionanx View Post
    If you are talking about DDO, then a single bowbarian would make short work of your piddly HP, much less 300 of them.
    Yup old school bowbarian and epic thornlord kills faster than my AA with Trip neg bow and slayers.
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    I wonder about the mass instant-kill.
    Wail has a fortitude save. What's a raged barbarians fort save again?
    The long cooldown and short range of the spell would probably make it an one-use-only spell.
    Used right before the sorcerer dies ...

    But in the end, the lag monster eats them all before they can get close to each other.

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    One stun, trip, or crit and its over. One dead sorc, and one barbarian, standing on top of the pile of barbarian corpses who the sorc was able to kill before the now victorious barb decided to use a tactics feat. While this is being showcased, more barbarians are dying to the still ticking dots.

    With hundreds of them in the area, the orc wouldnt be able to kite away from them all.
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    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    Not if they are Spartan barbarians.

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    Not if all the barbarian's use kormor's belt on the sorcerer, from 300 shots at least one should proc an irresistable dance, putting the sorcerer dead in the water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neverconsentual View Post
    I think so

    60% displacement
    100% fort
    300% movement speed from things like expeditious retreat and shadow walk
    aoe instakill (shock ball with metamagic feats on) on less than 2 second cooldown
    the blink air savants get at third prestige

    around 500 base hp
    can heal self at the pace a pally can lay on hands

    he could win without having to heal himself once, and maybe without getting hit once. He could probably win without even moving from his spawn and inch

    i guess its realistic but you could also do something were the twelve disables some uses of magic in arena or something if you wanted the lore to be correct and pvp balanced

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyytoi View Post
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    Yea!Haha,+1.
    Anyways,Barbs not gotta hold anything spicel;
    Lets say it`s even a one barb.
    You stand at stash,I come to you tho the creats up there,Even without spell absoration,With sprint boost and such-You have 3 seconds to cast a spell.Afew options.
    mass hold-Not a bad choice.hay brow,You forgot i`m a warfoge.
    Wail:Oh oh.Sorry.70 fortitude save.Oops.
    Magic missle:Gets my spell absorb-Tho-I hav`nt saw anybody scoring more then 700 at 1 MM ; )
    Power word killW googles,Or any DB item.And cya in hell
    Summon monster:Sorry,You`re tripped with GS greataxe doing around 700 demage per swing b4 you end casting it.
    Meteor swarm:Afew options.Maybe fire absoration,Maybe the fact that till all the swarm will come i`ll be there,or maybe sometimes it`s 2 low demage.You can also count on that i got afew HPs right there.Thats your best choice.
    Neg level:Warfoge-Screw you.
    Stoneskin:700-10=690,Thats only the trip.And i also assume we all got Min II greataxe.
    Some wierdows would may pick iresistable dance.Yea,Thats an other option that would help you.Ways to avoid it:
    1)Spell absorb
    2)Some ranged atacks
    3)Thats a low range spell.When you`ll cast it i`ll dance for 8 secs,You tripped for 30,Means 22 secs.Kabyum all over your face baby.
    Sorry mate-1 barb can get most of sorcys.Spell absorb surely help,But even it is not a must.All you need to have is a brustly 700 HP or over/Evasion,afew immunetys,And a decent DPS.

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