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    1: Start with AT LEAST 14 con.

    2: Don't use those superior effiency clickies, try to find a potency item. (Same effect in a non-clickie version)

    3: Take Haste and Wall of Fire ASAP

    4: There is no really good multiclass for the Sorcerer class, tho I've seen a few with 2 levels of rogue for evasion/UMD

    5: You will want either a spell penetration item or the feat/enhancements from level 12 or so since alot foes have SR in mid-high level content

    6: Get an heavy-fort item (Minos legens is an awesome one)

    7: Fearsome robes can save your life more than once , tho some melees can be annoyed by the ennemies running away from them

    8: Stoneskin is costly, yes, but worth the plat

    9: Max your UMD as Sorcerers can reach in the low 40s with a good charisma, which is just enough for Heal scrolls

    10: The best races for a Sorcerer are IMO, WF Human Drow, in this order

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    P.S: This is an awesome guide for anyone new to this class http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=175911

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonman59 View Post
    1: Start with AT LEAST 14 con.

    2: Don't use those superior effiency clickies, try to find a potency item. (Same effect in a non-clickie version)
    absolutly wrong, you suould stock up on the clickies. They give 75% to spells, while potency gives 50% the ingame description is wrong
    3: Take Haste and Wall of Fire ASAP

    4: There is no really good multiclass for the Sorcerer class, tho I've seen a few with 2 levels of rogue for evasion/UMD

    5: You will want either a spell penetration item or the feat/enhancements from level 12 or so since alot foes have SR in mid-high level content

    6: Get an heavy-fort item (Minos legens is an awesome one)

    7: Fearsome robes can save your life more than once , tho some melees can be annoyed by the ennemies running away from them

    8: Stoneskin is costly, yes, but worth the plat

    9: Max your UMD as Sorcerers can reach in the low 40s with a good charisma, which is just enough for Heal scrolls

    10: The best races for a Sorcerer are IMO, WF Human Drow, in this order
    Not really, the -2 DC warforged gets is not worth the self healing at all. Drow and human can self heal via heal scrolls, while getting more benefits. Personally, i wouldn't make a WF sorc. People say the self healing is great. Well, heal scrolls work just fine. The spells from WF are for those who don't know how to avoid damage, and need an easy button to heal. If you know what you're doing, heal scrolls are plenty. The -2 DC is more than you think, and is more than just 10%
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    P.S: This is an awesome guide for anyone new to this class http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=175911
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    Not bad tips, but get some more info first
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweyn View Post
    absolutly wrong, you suould stock up on the clickies. They give 75% to spells, while potency gives 50% the ingame description is wrong
    wrong also, at least partial

    the efficiency clicky is only 50% like the item but the specific ones like inferno and devotion and such, those got changed to 15% per tier
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visty View Post
    wrong also, at least partial

    the efficiency clicky is only 50% like the item but the specific ones like inferno and devotion and such, those got changed to 15% per tier
    Good to know, didn't read it right about him talking about just efficacy, i do suggest getting the inferno clickies, or atleast pots
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweyn View Post
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    So youve never actually run a WF caster to cap or TR1 or TR2 oned?

    Ive done both fleshies and WF. The WF is superior by far.

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    Sorc = nuke

    You dont need spell pen, and you don't need the highest DC possible. Just keep your cha max and you'll be ok, get a napkin and you're good to go.

    WF is by far superior when it comes to pure nuking, wich is what a sorc does.

    And I'm tired of hearing people saying scroll healing is the same thing. Not it's not. No metas, very long cooldown, requires to constantly switch weapon set.
    A quick shortcut to reconstruct is 35 sp and 250 + hp heal. Please stop with UMD, it's great but certainly not superior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bashemgud View Post
    Sorc = nuke

    You dont need spell pen, and you don't need the highest DC possible. Just keep your cha max and you'll be ok, get a napkin and you're good to go.

    WF is by far superior when it comes to pure nuking, wich is what a sorc does.

    And I'm tired of hearing people saying scroll healing is the same thing. Not it's not. No metas, very long cooldown, requires to constantly switch weapon set.
    A quick shortcut to reconstruct is 35 sp and 250 + hp heal. Please stop with UMD, it's great but certainly not superior.
    A nuker is not suddenly freed of overcomming DC's, only spell pen is not an issue anymore. I recommend the highest possible Charisma along with evocation items so enemies won't save for half. Anything less and you simply do less damage overall.

    Also, while repair is certainly a great feature, it also costs mana which is... not such a great feature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bashemgud View Post
    WF is by far superior when it comes to pure nuking, wich is what a sorc does.

    Umm, WRONG! WF are superior because they can get out of bad situations like grabbing all of the aggro because they can quicken/reconstruct themselves. If you meant this then make sure to properly word it. WF has a trade-off. DC. It takes much more equipment wise to keep their DC up with drow and humans. Add the fact that humans get a free feat to put towards an evocation feat and your way off base. Advise should come from those with knowledge. You apparently haven't tried both or understand the differneces to lead people down a path that is full of misinformation. WF's main perk is survivability. In no way would I ever try to sell new players on wf being better because of their dc. Just sayin...

    *EDIT* I've been a real jerk tonight and know this so I will save you the neg rep this time. Your ignorance does not deserve anything but a lesson learned. I hope you take at least that away from this thread....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varis View Post
    Also, while repair is certainly a great feature, it also costs mana which is... not such a great feature.
    You can still use reconstruct scrolls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctigis View Post
    You can still use reconstruct scrolls.

    And end up as dead as the fleshie sorc...

    Try recon scrolls next time you kite the shadowfiends in part 2 of TOD. I bet you end up going back to a casted recon. Well, not really, you'l be dead from the scroll slowdown...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spisey View Post
    And end up as dead as the fleshie sorc...

    Try recon scrolls next time you kite the shadowfiends in part 2 of TOD. I bet you end up going back to a casted recon. Well, not really, you'l be dead from the scroll slowdown...
    you know that that is a very bad example, right?

    sorcs have 3000sp
    you need like 500 if even to keep the firewalls up

    so you have 2500sp to keep yourself healed via sp without any problem
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visty View Post
    you know that that is a very bad example, right?

    sorcs have 3000sp
    you need like 500 if even to keep the firewalls up

    so you have 2500sp to keep yourself healed via sp without any problem
    SHH!! I realized how bad an example that was but I should have said try to heal scroll yourself on a fleshie. I just saw his sig and thought I would try to relate it to wf.

    Yeah if you don't have mana to recon yourself in there then your way over casting just to keep aggro.

    I got nothing....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spisey View Post
    And end up as dead as the fleshie sorc...

    Try recon scrolls next time you kite the shadowfiends in part 2 of TOD. I bet you end up going back to a casted recon. Well, not really, you'l be dead from the scroll slowdown...
    Did you even read the quote I was responding to?. I was simply pointing out that not casting reconstruct was no
    worse than being dependent on heal scrolls. i.e.reconstruct scrolls, as well as heal scrolls, can actually be bought
    and used. I certainly did not say nor imply that using reconstruct scrolls was equivalent to casting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spisey View Post
    Umm, WRONG! WF are superior because they can get out of bad situations like grabbing all of the aggro because they can quicken/reconstruct themselves. If you meant this then make sure to properly word it. WF has a trade-off. DC. It takes much more equipment wise to keep their DC up with drow and humans. Add the fact that humans get a free feat to put towards an evocation feat and your way off base. Advise should come from those with knowledge. You apparently haven't tried both or understand the differneces to lead people down a path that is full of misinformation. WF's main perk is survivability. In no way would I ever try to sell new players on wf being better because of their dc. Just sayin...

    *EDIT* I've been a real jerk tonight and know this so I will save you the neg rep this time. Your ignorance does not deserve anything but a lesson learned. I hope you take at least that away from this thread....
    Please, neg rep me, the bane of all players, right?

    And advising on wasting two feats on spell pen is good, how? And where exactly did I say you didn't need DC as an evoker. I say the opposite actually, and simply advice on maximizing your cha and wearing a napkin. Take spell focus evocation if I might add, if you have the slot.

    And about WFs main perk being survivability, please, stop it already. I said they made the best evoker, so that takes into account all of WF advantages, self-healing included.

    Wish I could neg rep you, just to **** you off ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spisey View Post
    *EDIT* I've been a real jerk tonight and know this so I will save you the neg rep this time. Your ignorance does not deserve anything but a lesson learned. I hope you take at least that away from this thread....
    Have to agree with the post above. I think threatening to neg rep someone because you don't agree with them
    is a little harsh. Whether you think WF make the best evokers is surely subjective rather than absolute?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bashemgud View Post
    Sorc = nuke

    You dont need spell pen, and you don't need the highest DC possible. Just keep your cha max and you'll be ok, get a napkin and you're good to go.

    WF is by far superior when it comes to pure nuking, wich is what a sorc does.

    And I'm tired of hearing people saying scroll healing is the same thing. Not it's not. No metas, very long cooldown, requires to constantly switch weapon set.
    A quick shortcut to reconstruct is 35 sp and 250 + hp heal. Please stop with UMD, it's great but certainly not superior.
    I've done it all too and WF is good but if you are a min maxer,they just don't cut it.Even with litany and almost every other caster stuff, your wail won't land in amrath.A human sorc can get to 39 umd without any effort.That's 100% on heal and with the concentration it's just as reliable as the spell (not as fast of course...) and leaves your sp pool for what it really is,destroy everything you come across.

    Spell pen?Sure go with no spell pen you'll only see a blue shield on every devil orthon and every other mob on anything higher than casual / normal.UMD is superior to having repair spell since it allows you to bypass every requirement in game for weapons or equipment.


    Please stop saying what you think and making it sound like the only truth because anyone that has played half as much as you will know it's all fluff.

    And BTW UMD + Human improved recovery = as much as repair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mentor61 View Post
    I've done it all too and WF is good but if you are a min maxer,they just don't cut it.Even with litany and almost every other caster stuff, your wail won't land in amrath.A human sorc can get to 39 umd without any effort.That's 100% on heal and with the concentration it's just as reliable as the spell (not as fast of course...) and leaves your sp pool for what it really is,destroy everything you come across.

    Spell pen?Sure go with no spell pen you'll only see a blue shield on every devil orthon and every other mob on anything higher than casual / normal.UMD is superior since it allows you to bypass every requirement in game for weapons or equipment.


    Please stop saying what you think and making it sound like the only truth because anyone that has played half as much as you will know it's all fluff.
    you dont make sense here

    wfs have 1 dc less then humans, so wfs not landing anything and humans destroying everything cant be true
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    Quote Originally Posted by bashemgud View Post
    Please, neg rep me, the bane of all players, right?

    And advising on wasting two feats on spell pen is good, how? And where exactly did I say you didn't need DC as an evoker. I say the opposite actually, and simply advice on maximizing your cha and wearing a napkin. Take spell focus evocation if I might add, if you have the slot.

    And about WFs main perk being survivability, please, stop it already. I said they made the best evoker, so that takes into account all of WF advantages, self-healing included.

    Wish I could neg rep you, just to **** you off ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visty View Post
    you dont make sense here

    wfs have 1 dc less then humans, so wfs not landing anything and humans destroying everything cant be true
    This statement tells me you're a noob (with casters).Wf don't get human adaptibility either.make that 2 dc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mentor61 View Post
    This statement tells me you're a noob.Wf don't get human adaptibility either.make that 2 dc.
    human:
    18 base
    05 lvlup
    10 item
    01 litany
    04 tome
    03 sorc
    01 human
    02 yugo pot
    03 deneith pot
    =
    47

    wf:
    16 base
    05 lvlup
    10 item
    01 litany
    04 tome
    03 sorc
    02 yugo pot
    03 deneith pot
    =
    44

    thats a 3 point difference resulting in a dc difference of 1

    and even if its a difference of 2 your post is still wrong
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