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    Default Nerf FvS!

    No, this isn't about FvS being OP, or AoV, or Wings.

    Right now, FvS are immune to being Quelled. Seems to me that this is a bug.

    Please make FvS subject to Quell the same as all other divines.

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    Its not a bug they are arcane not divine last time i checked so they are supose to be immune

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    Quote Originally Posted by 94daniel View Post
    Its not a bug they are arcane not divine last time i checked so they are supose to be immune
    Nope they are divine, hence the DIVINE spell list... Another big hint is being favored by a deity...

    Ranger's, like druid, draw their magic from nature and SHOULD be immune (They are not)
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    Well why would you want it fixed ? just checked yea they are divine but why would you care?
    Probaly just end up meesing so they cant cast any heal spells.

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    BUMP!

    With Quells being re-looked-at with U23, this is the perfect time to address this long-standing bug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirValentine View Post
    BUMP!

    With Quells being re-looked-at with U23, this is the perfect time to address this long-standing bug.
    I don't think it is a bug.

    This phrase is in the effect description:

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    Powerful beings with a close personal connection to their deities may not be quelled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirValentine View Post
    BUMP!

    With Quells being re-looked-at with U23, this is the perfect time to address this long-standing bug.
    Looks like it may have missed the Release Notes (we'll look at that), but Quells ought to be a lot smarter about who gets Intercession now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelstar View Post
    Looks like it may have missed the Release Notes (we'll look at that), but Quells ought to be a lot smarter about who gets Intercession now.
    The release notes actually explicitly excluded them from the list- which makes a sort of sense.

    The pnp states that clerics ask their gods [or divine/cosmic powers] for divine gifts, while favored souls have a divine spark or fragment of a god within them, and thus either can inherently cast their divine abilities, or siphon it off of the god they're bound to.

    Either way, intercession-type effects are generally not expected to work on them [Since they're essentially not being cut off from a followed deity, but from their own selves]; I can't speak for intercession itself, since I never ran with Quells in pnp.

    It's worth noting the Libris Mortis entry states that the Quells 'cut divine spellcasters off from the source of their power' but also that they can only 'sever the connection between a follower of a deity and their deity'. Favored Souls are NOT required to worship any deity to access their powers, and thus have no inherent connection to them [of that sort].

    In the end, it boils down to which house rule stance DDO wants to take on it.

    The way I've always played with FvS in pnp- AND how DDO has played them- would make them immune to Intercession.


    In the end, only one thing is notable here: There is no pnp or DDO point of reference that states that FvS SHOULDN'T be immune.

    So unless the devs feel it is a balance issue, there's absolutely no reason for them to change it.

    And I find the more things that distinguish between the classes, the more interesting they become.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuKaSu View Post
    I don't think it is a bug.

    This phrase is in the effect description:
    Oh. Uh. Well, you already made my point, but way more fluidly and succinctly.

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    Did not get quelled today as a druid any in the new content.

    I would think that Druid's should be immune it would make sense, but whatever...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverleafeon View Post
    Did not get quelled today as a druid any in the new content.

    I would think that Druid's should be immune it would make sense, but whatever...
    that's interesting

    I'd expect druids to be immune to that, however rangers are not even if they have only 6 levels of that class. I don't mind not being able to cast all 2 of my spells, but the graphic effect is just annoying especially when it used to happen in abbot raid.

    So if druids are immune to quells, shouldn't rangers be too?

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    just run a round of ee Ochard and i can tell you my FVS is not immune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagolar View Post
    Favored Souls are NOT required to worship any deity to access their powers, and thus have no inherent connection to them [of that sort].
    Sure...same thing with Clerics, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagolar View Post
    ...how DDO has played them- would make them immune to Intercession.
    I always assumed DDO had just overlooked the issue, since the class got added later, rather than had made a conscious decision about it.

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    Default Intercession Ward?

    Are there going to be additional items (augments/gear/weapons) that will have Intercession Ward like the Atonement great sword?
    If not, then why should I take any of my favored souls/clerics to the Orchard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuro_zero View Post
    Nope they are divine, hence the DIVINE spell list... Another big hint is being favored by a deity...

    Ranger's, like druid, draw their magic from nature and SHOULD be immune (They are not)
    druids and rangers are divines too, natural magic is considered divine magic in D&D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delsine View Post
    Are there going to be additional items (augments/gear/weapons) that will have Intercession Ward like the Atonement great sword?
    If not, then why should I take any of my favored souls/clerics to the Orchard?
    because you like your fvs and he is not a coward...
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    Quote Originally Posted by harry-pancreas View Post
    because you like your fvs and he is not a coward...
    Well played... Now I have to think of a reason not to go. Way to goad me on. Although, I still dislike the idea of having to use Atonement when I see a Quell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuKaSu View Post
    I don't think it is a bug.

    This phrase is in the effect description:
    I disagree. I'm pretty certain the intent is not for your "average" FvS, but more for those that are directly "chosen", aka "Chosen of Mystra" for example, or the god/godess's own direct messengers, avatars, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverleafeon View Post
    Did not get quelled today as a druid any in the new content.

    I would think that Druid's should be immune it would make sense, but whatever...
    I on the other hand ran thru with my 17/2/1 Druid/FVS/WIZ and all but a few SLA's were quelled.

    All Druid spells were (EQ, SoV, WoB etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagolar View Post
    The pnp states that clerics ask their gods [or divine/cosmic powers] for divine gifts, while favored souls have a divine spark or fragment of a god within them
    The D&D 3.5 rule books do not state that Favored Souls have a divine spark or fragment of a god within them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagolar View Post
    Favored Souls are NOT required to worship any deity to access their powers, and thus have no inherent connection to them [of that sort].
    That is incorrect. Here is the D&D rule book regarding Favored Souls:
    A favored soul can be of any religion. The most common deity worshiped by human favored souls in civilized lands is Pelor, god of the sun. Among nonhuman races, favored souls most commonly worship the chief deity of their racial pantheon.
    Unlike clerics, favored souls are not able to devote themselves to a cause or a source of divine power instead of a deity.

    Another rulebook quotation that might help:
    Favored souls cast divine spells by means of an innate connection rather than through laborious training and prayer, so their divine connection is natural rather than learned. These divine spellcasters know fewer spells and acquire powerful spells more slowly than clerics, but favored souls can cast spells more often, and they have no need to select and prepare them ahead of time.

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