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    A friendly european time server is a very good thing to start, maybe Turbine could have created a non language restricted one first. And then release the only deutsch one.

    Maybe a roll over text help on server choice would also be useful:

    Examples:
    Wayfinder [german server]

    Thelanis [RP server]

    Orien [noob server] (<---joke, i'm from orien...)
    How to revamp past life reward system <--- working again
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    We absolutely planned for Fighter to still have Haste Boost. It's absolutely a bug. Any similar issues that look "wrong" to any player should be bugged.
    Developers should fix this

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    I think it was a mistake to label it a German server to being with. Not because I have anything against Germany or German people - but because I think that putting a limiting factor on any server is a bad idea.

    I think the only reason it was advertised as a German server was because of Turbine wanting to make a bigger splash at GamesCon. And that was a poor decision, in my opinion.
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    it would be one thing if the server was located in germany to combat latency issues for euro's... buts its just part of the server farm in boston....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tolero View Post
    englisch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phemt81 View Post
    Orien [noob server] (<---joke, i'm from orien...)
    So?

    Quote Originally Posted by zwiebelring View Post
    If transfer was free for VIPs plus a possible guildtransfer in a whole, I'd subscribe immediately, but right now, there is no reason to switch because our small german guild achieved what was intended: to gather german players.

    a little off topic:
    We switched immediately if the service of transfer was not an exceptional effort and otherwise insecure service, not mentioning the ridiculous price. Again, more important amneties for VIPs. I say this being a premium player.
    Spot on. This is coming from the second largest german guild (ie Krieger des Lichts) on orien.

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinusWyllt View Post
    Except for poor/incomplete translations to Deutsch for a server advertised as a German speaking server.
    The localization is equally bad on every server.
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    So, that was an example among others. Didn't like my suggestion?

    Quote Originally Posted by karl_k0ch View Post
    The localization is equally bad on every server.
    Yes, but it's worse when you create a server dedicated for people speaking that language. Can you see my point?
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    We absolutely planned for Fighter to still have Haste Boost. It's absolutely a bug. Any similar issues that look "wrong" to any player should be bugged.
    Developers should fix this

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    Spot on. This is coming from the largest german guild (ie Soko Irrlicht) on orien.
    Sorry but I am member of Krieger des Lichts but befriended with Soko .
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    Quote Originally Posted by zwiebelring View Post
    Sorry but I am member of Krieger des Lichts but befriended with Soko .
    'tschuldigung.

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    Egal was ihr so alle negatives sagt. Ich finds bisher gut auf Wayfinder. Es könnte hier und da noch mehr deutschsprachige Gruppensuchen geben. Im großen Ganzen denke ich aber, dass es noch besser werden wird mit der Zeit.

    Ich spiele übrigens auch auf dem deutschen Server mit dem englischen Client. Das eine hat ja nichts mit dem anderen zu tun. Mir gehts ja auch eher darum mit deutschsprachigen Leuten im Voicechat spielen zu können. Ich mag nicht so gerne in PUG spielen wo sich die Leute totschweigen. Da brauch ich meiner Meinung nach auch kein online Spiel für.

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    p. s. Ich würd das jetzt noch übersetzen aber ist zu spät. Muss wohl google-translate reichen. Ich weiss das ist grausam.

    No matter what you all say so negative. I think it's been good so far on Wayfinder. It would be better to have more german-speaking group searches but I think it will be getting better in time.

    Incidentally, I play on the German server with the English client. This one has nothing to do with the other. I like to play with german speaking people in the voice chat. I may not like to play in PUG where people don't talk any word. Then I fact I don't need to play a MMO.

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    Should probably just have been a euro-server.
    I don't understand a word german, but would have loved a eu server, besides.. people tend to gather with likeminded others, so not so much reason to restrict it to one language only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fyrst.grok View Post
    Should probably just have been a euro-server.
    I don't understand a word german, but would have loved a eu server, besides.. people tend to gather with likeminded others, so not so much reason to restrict it to one language only.
    What i just said above.

    Nice to find someone who can agree sometimes
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    We absolutely planned for Fighter to still have Haste Boost. It's absolutely a bug. Any similar issues that look "wrong" to any player should be bugged.
    Developers should fix this

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    Ich spiele DDO jetzt seit etwa zwei Jahren und kann daher leider nicht sagen wie es auf den alten Servern war, aber ich vermute mal, dass diese Server am Anfang auch nicht gleich voll waren. Das gleiche gilt natürlich auch für Wayfinder. So etwas braucht Zeit. Mein persönliches Gefühl ist, dass es täglich voller wird.

    Was die Charakter-Stufen angeht: Bei den Transferkosten kann ich es gut verstehen, dass die meisten Spieler mit neuen Charakteren angefangen haben. Viele der alten Spieler haben sich wohl auch mehr aus Neugierde oder wegen der TP Punkte einen Charakter angelegt. Wer wie ich Gelegenheitsspieler ist, der braucht auch etwas mehr Zeit als zwei, drei Wochen um einen Charakter in den Bereich von VON 5 hochzuspielen. Davon abgesehen ist es auch auf Thelanis zum Teil recht schwer einen vollen VON 5 Raid zu bekommen. Ich bin schon oft zu "IP" Gruppen für VON 5 gestoßen. Wer nicht transferiert hat, der hat zudem auf Wayfinder das Problem, dass er seinen Charakter auch nicht twinken kann und damit auch mehr Zeit in die Suche nach Ausrüstung stecken muss.

    Zum Thema Transfer allgemein: Wenn ich daran denke, wie viel Zeit und Energie in unser kleines Gilden-Dinghy geflossen ist kann ich mir nicht vorstellen, dass ich meine Charaktere ohne die ganze Gilde im Gepäck transferieren werde (was im Moment ja wohl auch nicht geht). Davon abgesehen kenne ich natürlich auch einige Spieler in anderen Gilden mit denen ich hin und wieder spiele. Wäre schade wenn die wegfallen würden.

    Was die Übersetzungen angeht: ich stimme zu, die hat deutlich Potential nach oben (um es mal freundlich auszudrücken). Vielleicht ist es besser geworden, aber ich habe nach etwa 15 Minuten wieder auf den englischen Client umgeschalten und bin seither dabei geblieben. Da die Questinhalte eh nicht übersetzt wurden kann man von Übersetzung sowieso noch nicht wirklich reden.

    Deutsch / Englisch: Es ist schon bezeichnend, wenn auf einem Server der explizit für deutschsprachige Spieler eingerichtet wurde kaum ein Spieler auf Deutsch schreibt. Nicht dass es genügend deutschsprachige Spieler gibt, aber es ist eine gewisse Scheu zu beobachten. Zugegeben ich könnte mich über bestimmte Dinge auf Deutsch nicht einmal korrekt unterhalten (k.A. wie z.B. die ganzen prefixe / suffixe auf Deutsch heißen).

    Dennoch:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayfinder FAQ
    Die Beherrschung der deutschen Sprache ist keine Voraussetzung, allerdings empfehlen wir allen Spielern, auf Wayfinder Deutsch zu sprechen.
    Und dass Wayfinder extra einen "Deutsch" Channel hat spricht auch Bände

    Davon abgesehen finde ich den "Denglisch" Channel wirklich unterhaltsam.

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    Ich denke, daß alle etablierten Gilden und Spieler, die deutschsprachig sind oder deutsche Spieler haben, nur wegen des Transferaufwandes nicht umziehen. Man hat alles auf Server x und müsste dann schlagartig von 0 anfangen.

    Für Gilden oder Spieler, die generell unter sich bleiben mag dies weniger ein Grund sein aber für jeden, der offene Gruppen bevorzugt, bedeutet Umzug wieder neue Infratsruktur, Beziehungen, Freundschaften etc.

    Abgesehen davon bin ich sehr dafür, wenn man als pugger allgemein den englischen client nutzt, weil alteingesessene Spieler so Neulingen besser helfen können. Der deutsche client vermurkst die Kommunikation bzgl. quest-Namen und Gegenständen massiv.

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    I think, the main reason for staying is the extraordinary effort for transferring the characters. Meanwhile the guild itself has to be reestablished and lvl.ed so you had to start from the scratch. This is not very attractive. Though it might be a minor reason for guilds, who stay on their own, for regular puggers it means starting from 0.

    Otherwise I'd like to have the english client used by every pugger as the only one. The german client shredds all communication regarding names of the quests and items in a massive way. Another reason is that veteran players used to english client can help newbies better then. I have big problems if a german player is using german client. And I am a German....
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    Sie hätten den Umzug von deutschen alteingessenen Spielern kostenlos für jeden Twink anbieten sollen. Mit Gildenumzug etc.
    Dann wäre der Server voller geworden. Alte Spieler werden so auf jeden Fall nicht umziehen.
    Und den Server hätte man auch dann nicht (de) nennen brauchen.
    Neue Spieler werden abgeschreckt weiter zu spielen, weil der Server so leer ist. Die denken das Spiel ist tot.
    Wenn ich da am frühen Nachmittag mal on bin, renn ich fast alleine durch die Stadt und wunder mich, wenn ich mal jemanden treffe.

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    Turbine sollte generell server-Umzug umsonst machen, erleichtert dies doch sich dort anzusiedeln, wo man den meisten Spaß hat. Wenn ejder frei hin und her wechseln könnte, würde man absolut nichts verlieren, im gegenteil, ich denke, das würde die Spielerbasis vergrößern.

    Es gibt so viele threads zum Thema Ettiquette und frustrierenden Ereignissen, warum nicht einfach Auswandern ermöglichen, ohne den Hauptcharakter wieder neu erstellen zu müssen?

    Zumindest ich hätte dadurch nicht in meinen Ausgaben an TPs etc. gespart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lhidda View Post
    Same, also stormglory tempest is a reason to stay. Thanks again, Shaoria.
    And we would hate losing you.

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    Default Population of Wayfinder

    Ive been playing on wayfinder since it was 1 day old. I started a toon to grind favour and stayed because of the lack of lag. Since this time ive seen the population slowly but surely increase. I can tell this because the number of items in the auction house is slowly increasing. from about 45 pages a month ago to about 55 pages regularly now.
    Im staying. So are my friends. Ive moved a toon from orien and he is staying to.
    You cant expect a server to be released one day and have a full population the next.
    And i am running into more and more people the same as me. Came to Wayfinder to grind favour and stayed.
    I believe so far its working. If people come and stay, cool. If new people start and stay. Cool. English, German, Russian, French, from anywhere, all cool.
    See you on wayfinder.

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    As I am also playing on Wayfinder, I would like to give my comments on what has been already said in this thread, hopefully to inform other players who are thinking to roll here.

    1 - Yes it is labelled as a German server, although I have not seen hostility against english speakers. I have seen more of that on english speaking servers against german speakers, what is quite sad. The worst you can get here if you approach someone in english, is no answer, in case that particular person didnt understand you. Quite rare though, as german players commonly speak english as well.

    2 - DDO for me was always about rerolling and starting over. I cannot count how many times I rerolled my chars because I wanted to experiment with something new. I never thought of an option to transfer chars here. I can roll new ones.

    3 - Its a new server. While it has the flaws with being under-populated atm, it has the fresh feeling as well. Imagine this: you start a new character, there is nothing on the AH to pimp it. +1 Armor of stability is a distant dream in drops on level 2. Nothing at the brokers either. You craft your way up with hard work from nothing to be able to create useful stuff for yourself. Exactly like when I started to play DDO, I like this a lot.

    4 - Lot of new players! And I mean it. Granted most of them dont know the ropes yet, and do silly things, but those are also funny things. And its not full of bored of levelling/raiding arrogant veterans who just rush through quests without even saying a word to fellow party members. I like this too. More relaxed and fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogdoc View Post
    As I am also playing on Wayfinder, I would like to give my comments on what has been already said in this thread, hopefully to inform other players who are thinking to roll here.

    1 - Yes it is labelled as a German server, although I have not seen hostility against english speakers. I have seen more of that on english speaking servers against german speakers, what is quite sad. The worst you can get here if you approach someone in english, is no answer, in case that particular person didnt understand you. Quite rare though, as german players commonly speak english as well.

    2 - DDO for me was always about rerolling and starting over. I cannot count how many times I rerolled my chars because I wanted to experiment with something new. I never thought of an option to transfer chars here. I can roll new ones.

    3 - Its a new server. While it has the flaws with being under-populated atm, it has the fresh feeling as well. Imagine this: you start a new character, there is nothing on the AH to pimp it. +1 Armor of stability is a distant dream in drops on level 2. Nothing at the brokers either. You craft your way up with hard work from nothing to be able to create useful stuff for yourself. Exactly like when I started to play DDO, I like this a lot.

    4 - Lot of new players! And I mean it. Granted most of them dont know the ropes yet, and do silly things, but those are also funny things. And its not full of bored of levelling/raiding arrogant veterans who just rush through quests without even saying a word to fellow party members. I like this too. More relaxed and fun.

    Cogdoc
    Totaly Agree. Love playing on wayfinder as do all my guild members.

    Its clean. Fresh and not ladend with aragont people who are only interested in leveling as fast as possible. So far its been a pleasure to quest whith just about everyone i have met.

    We are founding the core of this server. Lets keep going and we will get the population up. Its just a matter of time and persistance.

    I dont believe Turbine will can the server for a long time. They will give it the chance it needs to grow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogdoc View Post
    As I am also playing on Wayfinder, I would like to give my comments on what has been already said in this thread, hopefully to inform other players who are thinking to roll here.
    Your pitch is compelling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alabore View Post
    Your pitch is compelling.

    And you get deals if you buy more than ten pieces!

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