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    Angry Once again clerics get dissed on...

    Today got an invite from a group "In desperate need of a cleric!" for Tear...yeah its a fun lowbie..but I am building my cleric who is now 7th. Arrived on scene most of the party flatlined...well got everyone rezzed and got myself pretty mangled in the process. Next, party is fully healed and ready to go...well toward the tail end when everyone is jumping to waterfall entrance for the final fight...I cant make the jump...so the so called leader starts screaming on the mike for me to get on up and start healing the party...well, several party members come pouring out of the entrance(3) and several fall....well, the orc pop is busy trying to stomp me into the ground...I however was prepared...lots of pots,several wands of healing...so as not to touch my sp's too much..I anticipated this was going to go south because the lack of fighters and lots of rogues and one sorcerer...so the "leader"starts griping that I am not doing my "JOB"...so I told him...well how bout letting everyone else in on this plan...so I took charge of what was left...2 rogues and the sorcerer...we decided to wipe out the orc population and get to a safe spot and backtracked and picked up the optionals and punched out of ToD. But it did not end there....he gave me some grief over the mic...so I squelched him and informed him next time do your research and dont yell at the only cleric in your party who already saved your bacon....not nice....

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    Friends dont ket friends PUG their clerics.

    On the plus side, I'm actually looking forward to PUGging my newly TRed Stryde once I get out of the quests that only take 5 minutes each.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phidius View Post
    Friends dont ket friends PUG their clerics.

    On the plus side, I'm actually looking forward to PUGging my newly TRed Stryde once I get out of the quests that only take 5 minutes each.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phidius View Post
    Friends dont ket friends PUG their clerics.

    On the plus side, I'm actually looking forward to PUGging my newly TRed Stryde once I get out of the quests that only take 5 minutes each.
    understood....Look me up in Khyber someday...I always try to be extra prepared for my party....Extra pots,wands and a few scrolls...even a couple of items but sometimes dont get back....I spend the effort to keep the party alive..but sometimes....ugh....when I lead and put together a party I do the research and try to plan ahead a bit..and of course engage the party in conversation before going in so as to gauge what kind of party I have...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdemeritt View Post
    Ket?
    Huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deissa_Ironhand View Post
    understood....Look me up in Khyber someday...I always try to be extra prepared for my party....Extra pots,wands and a few scrolls...even a couple of items but sometimes dont get back....I spend the effort to keep the party alive..but sometimes....ugh....when I lead and put together a party I do the research and try to plan ahead a bit..and of course engage the party in conversation before going in so as to gauge what kind of party I have...
    Well, I'm on Sarlona myself. While I always appreciate having folks like you in my groups, the ones I'm looking forward to don' t come prepared

    Just think of it like triage - keep up the ones you need, and let the rest learn the joys of self-sufficiency.
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    This is why we see threads like we saw the other day, with people coming up with all sorts of interesting suggestions for addressing the perceived healer shortage.

    There is no shortage of clerics and fvs. It's just that, after a few experiences like the one posted in the OP, the ones that stay with the class have learned the hard way to stick with friends, guild-mates, and only selectively pug.

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    I'm in a solid guild now which solved a lot of problems, but, pugging on my FVS was always a load of fun.

    I only used resources if i thought the group was worth it - so it wasn't expensive. The players that screamed at me to do my job were typically greased ... *oops, mis-click, so sowwy ...*

    As long as you go into things with an open mind, the laughs are often worth it.

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    As a divine I cringe at any lfm's that say "Desperate need" because they totally end up being just that, desperate players who have no idea how to play the game and expect someone to heal bot them threw, they could have brought a hireling.

    Any time anyone gives your divine grief when your doing what they want of you in the first place are good fodder for a DNG list. Im sorry even if its not all adults who play now no one has the right ever to yell at anyone especially over a game and their perceived idea on how someone is supposed to play their class.

    At some point you may become like others of us who like playing clerics/ favored souls and realize you can't heal stupid, you will have to let bad players die at times so they learn to shape up or play alone. Its sad that tough love seems to be the only wake up for some of them and even then there will still be those who blame their deaths on lack of heals instead of their use of intelligence as a life dump stat.

    Hope you dont get into anymore desperate groups it can be a drain on patience and sanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iaga View Post
    I'm in a solid guild now which solved a lot of problems, but, pugging on my FVS was always a load of fun.

    I only used resources if i thought the group was worth it - so it wasn't expensive. The players that screamed at me to do my job were typically greased ... *oops, mis-click, so sowwy ...*

    As long as you go into things with an open mind, the laughs are often worth it.
    My FVS pulled a necklace with 5 charges of grease on her first Tempest Spine run. That item has seen the most use out of anything i have ever pulled on any character. Now that she wears Shiondas pendant i find myself sad sometimes when i dont want to loose the 300 sp at the beginning of a quest to drop greases as a group buff..

    Otherday i was asked if i was a "great healer" for a normal shroud run. I was dumbfounded for a minute before replying "I am great at keeping those around me alive, and i am great at carrying squishys that run from heals in my backpack"..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phidius View Post
    Friends dont ket friends PUG their clerics.
    This.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    This has become a very bad trend and from the amount of posts on this topic of cleric abusse, it is either become something people are now wanting to talk more about, or it has become more rampant.

    I remember when I started playing ddo that clerics were revered and appreciated all the time. People would hand them wands before and after quests and pots after raids. It was very common to take care of the healer and thank them.

    Nowadays... I'm seeing so many threads about how clerics are "expected" to play and what they should or shouldn't do and much less care and regard for them.

    Then... I look up at the LFM's and they are full of groups looking for healers. Ummm...

    I have a capped FVS and Cleric and almost NEVER play them anymore. I will ONLY play them if I have friends that are in desperate need and its a group I'm already in and know the people.

    After a few bad pugs on my cleric, I got tired of squelching idiots and dropping group. Why bother even putting yourself in the place you were. It's just not worth it.

    This is an alarming trend. A lot of people have stated its because F2P has attracted a less than desired player base. Not sure if that's it, but I know the vets I've run with over the years on VIP, NEVER treat clerics like you were treated / talked to.

    The best cleric players I've seen get Blade Barrier and just solo quests or make their own teams and call the shots. But, then you get the idiots that think clerics shoudn't be team leaders. Ummm... not the class... it's the player.

    When I get onto a group that a healer is leading and they say... stay close to me for healing, because I'm not chasing after you... I either listen or go off and do whatever I want because I'm self-sufficient... mostly the former.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ministry View Post
    This has become a very bad trend and from the amount of posts on this topic of cleric abusse, it is either become something people are now wanting to talk more about, or it has become more rampant.
    Naw it's always been like that for new clerics. You've just forgotten it because you've learned what groups to avoid, viz:

    I have a capped FVS and Cleric and almost NEVER play them anymore. I will ONLY play them if I have friends that are in desperate need and its a group I'm already in and know the people.

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    I actually still haven't gone anonymous. Come close several times, but haven't yet pulled the switch.

    I've just become extremely picky about the groups I join, and am FAR more likely to reject someone who asks me than I used to be. Especially considering that pretty much all I get asked to do are resource drains and areas that the nightmare groups are formed in like SoS, ToD, VoD when I don't know the group, or joining some random Amrath group.

    SoS gives me nothing, DT is worse than all of my other options. ToD is nothing but a hefty supply bill in all but the best groups. VoD can be the same way, I refuse to do it unless I know the group, which is sad because VoD is one raid I really love. Amrath quests, aside from Genesis Point, I can do easier solo than I can in a group. Sins is faster and way less resource intensive on hard solo than running normal in a group of unknowns. Bastion is easier, but longer solo than in a group.

    When levelling, there are some quests I refuse to do except in private groups, since they're almost always a nightmare in the making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarisa View Post
    I actually still haven't gone anonymous. Come close several times, but haven't yet pulled the switch.
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    I haven't made my clerics anonymous in years - it's just too much fun to accept the blind invites, then proceed with whatever I was doing.

    It's very entertaining to watch the party chat when they finally realize that their "healer" isn't even in the same quest as they are

    Before anyone gets their knickers in a twist, I only do this with people who think my first decline was just me playing hard to get.
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    I have found that those groups that say "need a healer"....really do need a healer.
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    ..., but I honestly think the solution is to group with less whiny people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talon_Moonshadow View Post
    I have found that those groups that say "need a healer"....really do need a healer.
    Truth!

    I always tend to steer away from "need healer" on my cleric.

    When I run my fighter I try to say "could use a divine caster" .....just sounds a little better! But I also usually say "be self sufficient" in there too, that tends to attract divines.
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    I always put need hjeals!!!!!! in my lfm .... this is probably why I solo a lot.

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    I always demand that the rangers and pallies wand-whip me.


    'Cause it's demeaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justagame View Post
    this Is Why We See Threads Like We Saw The Other Day, With People Coming Up With All Sorts Of Interesting Suggestions For Addressing The Perceived Healer Shortage.

    There Is No Shortage Of Clerics And Fvs. It's Just That, After A Few Experiences Like The One Posted In The Op, The Ones That Stay With The Class Have Learned The Hard Way To Stick With Friends, Guild-mates, And Only Selectively Pug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talon_Moonshadow View Post
    I have found that those groups that say "need a healer"....really do need a healer.
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