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    Default 'nuther rant.

    Turbine, for those who enjoy PvP, you've killed us. You've finally taken the dagger to our hearts. PvP is the place where everyone gets to try out their new toys. A place where you can test the best against the best, and frankly is a part of the game where lots of strategies form in people's heads. So make it available to everyone, not just to the casters, take away all the things from u9, and PvP was (arguably) balanced to an extent. Now, you are lucky if there isn't a Wizard spamming away Meteor Swarm, or any Divine who isn't drop-casting his DoT's. Not to mention that EVERY arcane out there is using lightning. It is ridiculous that anyone can do 1,000+ damage with a spell that costs 5 Spell Points.

    Also, why do you continue to give Favoured Souls more and more upgrades, but nerf everyone else? Frankly Turbine each time an update comes around, you seem to be making more and more people frustrated and angry rather than improving your game. What's next in u10? Favoured Souls get immunity to all forms of damage? Sorcerers can cast any spell of their choice for 1 sp? Vampire Form receives 8x light damage? Melees...continue to get nothing new?

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    I am well aware it is made to quest and adventure, but the point remains that PvP exists. They made it and should therefore take pride in keeping it part of the game. My point was that PvP has become to players a place to challenge ones-self, and become "top-dog". Regardless of whether or not you (or anyone) PvP's isn't important to me, this is the PVP forum, therefore one is inclined to think speaking about PvP is alright. (go figure)

    Thus, the point remains. Turbine is neglecting PvP, or at least not paying the proper attention to it that any part of their game deserves. It also turned into a "why do melee's not get teh funz0rz" rant later on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrChipinator View Post
    I am well aware it is made to quest and adventure, but the point remains that PvP exists. They made it and should therefore take pride in keeping it part of the game. My point was that PvP has become to players a place to challenge ones-self, and become "top-dog". Regardless of whether or not you (or anyone) PvP's isn't important to me, this is the PVP forum, therefore one is inclined to think speaking about PvP is alright. (go figure)

    Thus, the point remains. Turbine is neglecting PvP, or at least not paying the proper attention to it that any part of their game deserves. It also turned into a "why do melee's not get teh funz0rz" rant later on.
    Don't put words in my mouth.

    PvP can be fun, and serves a couple of purposes in the game: it is a relatively static environment that can be used for testing (although the training dummy has largely replaced this) and is a way to kill time when not adventuring. My point was that changing the game in any way to improve PvP is a no-no. You complained that favored souls and sorcerers became too powerful and ruined PvP, I say that if you don't like the way some classes play against you in the arena, start a private match without any of them there, because the rest of the game should not bow to PvP.

    The devs created PvP and gave it to us, but there has never been a promise that it will be supported along with the rest of the content, nor balanced, nor should there ever be such a promise.
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    (first) Not every arcane uses lightning. Wizards have high enough DCs and PMs get enough bonuses to neg energy that we have ample methods of killing you without elemental damage.

    (second) Favored souls haven't really gotten a boost--they've just gotten a PrE. Pale master wizards are harder to beat than normal wizards. Angels of Vengeance are harder to beat than straight Favored Souls. This isn't an improvement--it should have been part of the game from the start.

    (third): The new DoTs are nice, but from what I've seen their use is limited. Damage lines have been cranked so that arcane fights tend to be shorter, so if you're not 100% sure that your target can't turn around and nuke you once he sees that "Eladar's Electric Surge" fly up on the screen, you don't use it--because usually a player can survive two or three ticks (more if they can self-heal).

    (and finally): Try one of the other PvP arenas. The House D pit and the Lobster are full quite often nowadays, but the Phoenix, the Open Palm, and of course the private-instance PvP areas are still empty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hityawithastick View Post
    (first) Not every arcane uses lightning. Wizards have high enough DCs and PMs get enough bonuses to neg energy that we have ample methods of killing you without elemental damage.

    (second) Favored souls haven't really gotten a boost--they've just gotten a PrE. Pale master wizards are harder to beat than normal wizards. Angels of Vengeance are harder to beat than straight Favored Souls. This isn't an improvement--it should have been part of the game from the start.

    (third): The new DoTs are nice, but from what I've seen their use is limited. Damage lines have been cranked so that arcane fights tend to be shorter, so if you're not 100% sure that your target can't turn around and nuke you once he sees that "Eladar's Electric Surge" fly up on the screen, you don't use it--because usually a player can survive two or three ticks (more if they can self-heal).

    (and finally): Try one of the other PvP arenas. The House D pit and the Lobster are full quite often nowadays, but the Phoenix, the Open Palm, and of course the private-instance PvP areas are still empty.
    The house D Pit has people? Which server is this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thesoulgazer View Post
    The house D Pit has people? Which server is this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
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    Wait! Where are you going? Come back here and die for my fleeting tactical advantage!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrChipinator View Post
    Turbine, for those who enjoy PvP, you've killed us. You've finally taken the dagger to our hearts. PvP is the place where everyone gets to try out their new toys. A place where you can test the best against the best, and frankly is a part of the game where lots of strategies form in people's heads. So make it available to everyone, not just to the casters, take away all the things from u9, and PvP was (arguably) balanced to an extent. Now, you are lucky if there isn't a Wizard spamming away Meteor Swarm, or any Divine who isn't drop-casting his DoT's. Not to mention that EVERY arcane out there is using lightning. It is ridiculous that anyone can do 1,000+ damage with a spell that costs 5 Spell Points.

    Also, why do you continue to give Favoured Souls more and more upgrades, but nerf everyone else? Frankly Turbine each time an update comes around, you seem to be making more and more people frustrated and angry rather than improving your game. What's next in u10? Favoured Souls get immunity to all forms of damage? Sorcerers can cast any spell of their choice for 1 sp? Vampire Form receives 8x light damage? Melees...continue to get nothing new?
    First off not every caster uses lighting they only use eladars
    2nd its doesnt cost 5 points max and emp it cost more like 55sp
    3rd If your talking about sorcs sp usage THERES NO 1SP SPELL IN THE GAME AND YOU CANNOT PICK ANY SPELL there are 2sp spells but if you cant save on a niacs.......... you cant hit 1k on a 5sp spell
    4th Wizzes dont spam metoer swarm sorcs do
    5th Go play a caster if ya dont ya like it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teen View Post
    First off not every caster uses lighting they only use eladars
    2nd its doesnt cost 5 points max and emp it cost more like 55sp
    3rd If your talking about sorcs sp usage THERES NO 1SP SPELL IN THE GAME AND YOU CANNOT PICK ANY SPELL there are 2sp spells but if you cant save on a niacs.......... you cant hit 1k on a 5sp spell
    4th Wizzes dont spam metoer swarm sorcs do
    5th Go play a caster if ya dont ya like it
    /rant off
    You clearly missed the point of what he said.
    1. Every arcane i know uses lightning/chain lightning because there is no avoiding it, and other than resist/protect, you cant decrease the damage, like with fire shield. The only item i know of is the Ring of the Djinn, or something crafted.
    2. Max and empower on an SLA doesn't increase cost...
    3. It was an example. He was saying that on the path we're on now, that seems to be whats coming (some exaggeration)
    4. Where are you pvping...
    5. He does. All of his toons are casters.

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