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    Default Remove PvP completely or make those that want it pay for it.

    PvP has no place in a Dungeons and Dragons MMO. DnD is about cooperation and teamwork to accomplish goals, not 1-upmanship to increase someone's epeen. It did not have it at start (one of the big draws that brought me to this game in the first place) and should not have been added later. It never has fit well ingame in its current implementation except as a test bed for new abilities. So here are my suggestions (in order of my preference)

    1) Completely remove PVP in all forms and recode the training dummy to be able to be completely customized (hp, saves, fortification, AC, whatever) and have all abilities usable on it with extended combat feedback if wanted.

    2) Leave PvP as-is, in its current form, with no further amount of developer time ever spent on it at all. Money and time already spent is gone (wasted IMO) and no reason throwing good money after bad.

    3) This is my least favorite option, but lets the PvPers put their money where their mouth is. Make all aspects of PvP store-only: brawls, challenges, whatever. Any and all development costs (Dev salaries, whatever) for PvP can only go up to an amount that is capped by whatever money is brought in by PvP sales.

    I am tired of seeing thread after thread about PvP when it has no place in a DnD MMO. Please remove it completely.
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    option 1 for sure... well, wait a minute, if they get rid of pee vee pee, the pre-teeners will prolly start joining our pugs! ugh. No, leave it
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    Quote Originally Posted by madmaxhunter View Post
    option 1 for sure... well, wait a minute, if they get rid of pee vee pee, the pre-teeners will prolly start joining our pugs! ugh. No, leave it
    yup so option 2 then
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    Quote Originally Posted by unknownturok View Post
    yup so option 2 then
    Devs, if you choose option 2 please make it publicly known.
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    I don't like PvP, nor do I care about it at all, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't keep other people playing and having fun.

    I don't want the devs to spend any resources on PvP per se, and trying to balance the game for PvP is not needed as it will mess with PvE which is at the heart of D&D (and thus DDO) but getting rid of it entirely seems unnecessary.

    I would like them to give the Wayward Lobster it's own chat channel though.


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    /signed for option one as i too believe pvp should never have been put into this game!

    i must add i dont much like option 2 tho since it is part of the game it should be supported, i just happen to believe it should never have been added
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwdaniels View Post
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    I don't like PvP, nor do I care about it at all, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't keep other people playing and having fun.

    I don't want the devs to spend any resources on PvP per se, and trying to balance the game for PvP is not needed as it will mess with PvE which is at the heart of D&D (and thus DDO) but getting rid of it entirely seems unnecessary.

    I would like them to give the Wayward Lobster it's own chat channel though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trillea View Post

    I am tired of seeing thread after thread about PvP when it has no place in a DnD MMO. Please remove it completely.
    Then don't go to the PVP forums. There is seldom any threads started up about PVP outside of this particular forum. It's where it belongs.

    It's not like any aspect of the game has ever been changed for the benefit of PVP anyway, so what does it matter if PVPers want a spell or ability disabled in their Pit Brawls?

    Just stay out of the PVP forums and you won't have to read anything about PVP.

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    I think the Devs went for Option 2 a long time ago.

    Myself - I just wish they'd move it outta the taverns and into their own separate locales. That way the minority of people who enjoy it can continue doing so, and those who are annoyed or bothered by it no longer have to be subjected to the sounds or effects of it going on nearby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eonfreon View Post
    Then don't go to the PVP forums. There is seldom any threads started up about PVP outside of this particular forum. It's where it belongs.

    It's not like any aspect of the game has ever been changed for the benefit of PVP anyway, so what does it matter if PVPers want a spell or ability disabled in their Pit Brawls?

    Just stay out of the PVP forums and you won't have to read anything about PVP.
    If there was a way to make them not show up on the main page recent threads, I would. But as it is the hairs on the back my neck raise a little every time I see a new PvP whining thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trillea View Post
    If there was a way to make them not show up on the main page recent threads, I would. But as it is the hairs on the back my neck raise a little every time I see a new PvP whining thread.
    ah i can understand that, have you considered just not clicking on the thread to start with and simply ignoring it.

    my mom use to say," if u cant say something nice say nothing at all" tho ill admit im not perfect n so ...lolz
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    i hate when i am in harbor and seeing people say stuff in chat because of pvp
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trillea View Post
    I am tired of seeing thread after thread about PvP when it has no place in a DnD MMO. Please remove it completely.
    While I do not use PvP for anything, having jumped in with my son on occassion just so he could kill me (or not), I really don't see how it affects anyone or anything.

    If you don't like reading posts about it then don't read them. Seems pretty simple to me.

    Maybe you get the forums streamed to you in some fashion where it fills your inbox with every post on every topic. I can't afford a mailbox that size. So I limit what I get to those topics that are of potential interest to me.

    I only open the forum areas that appeal to me. I only read the posts that seem of interest. I only reply to the ones that catch my eye.

    And, honestly, I don't even know if I can get every post streamed to me on a phone or in email or some other way. I only visit the forums online where I'm in control of where I surf.

    PvP isn't my thing. But it doesn't hurt me either. And regarding PvP posts, I just ignore most of them.

    Maybe you should do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trillea View Post
    If there was a way to make them not show up on the main page recent threads, I would. But as it is the hairs on the back my neck raise a little every time I see a new PvP whining thread.
    So, because a thread pops up on the subject every so often, it deserves to go away forever?

    That's a bit narrow minded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khaldan View Post
    So, because a thread pops up on the subject every so often, it deserves to go away forever?

    That's a bit narrow minded.
    The threads are a symptom of the greater problem - PvP does not belong in DDO. I believe this 100% from head to toe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trillea View Post
    The threads are a symptom of the greater problem - PvP does not belong in DDO. I believe this 100% from head to toe.
    Are you going to tell me that you have never had any PvP in a tabletop game of Dungeons and Dragons ever?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Trillea View Post
    The threads are a symptom of the greater problem - PvP does not belong in DDO. I believe this 100% from head to toe.
    If DDO were about to have PvP put in, this would be a valid argument.

    But since PvP is part of DDO, in order to get rid of it and use up developer time in doing so, there has to be a reason showing that the game will be the better for the time used.

    "It doesn't belong" doesn't really work when it's already in place.

    If you can show that PvP is making the game worse by causing changes in PvE, or that the act of PvP causes problems for the game, then I'd be completely behind you, but until then, I don't want to see Dev time used getting rid of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwdaniels View Post
    Are you going to tell me that you have never had any PvP in a tabletop game of Dungeons and Dragons ever?
    Only in cases like Dominate Person or similar effects.
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    Either option 1 or option 3.

    Option 2 is not working.

    I dont like the plethora of nerf suggestions simply because theres a new feature for PVE and the PVPers cant seem to figure out how to beat it other than building for it to stomp everyone else who also have not figured out how to beat it yet.

    Telling us to not click into their thread is the same mentality as us talling them to go play a real PVP game, which was designed around PVP from the ground up since day 1. Dont click into their suggestion threads? Dont click into a PVE game for PVP enjoyment. Neither of these solves the issue, but making this type of comparison definately gets the point accross.

    I am down for option 3 because its realistic in a business sense. The expected metric for a business to make these types of decisions by is money. If people want PVP features they should provide the resources the company would require to put those features into place. Otherwise, option 1 is the most valid. Those people who then make the arguement that many of these changes are just super easy to make would find out how easy (costly) they really are to make. Having software coding experience, I can say that those types of changes in 5 year old software that was not coded for this in the first place are definately not as easy as some state. You want to convince me otherwise, convince me in the language of business, dollarsese.
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    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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