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    Quote Originally Posted by karl_k0ch View Post
    How can a 19/1 bard achieve better haggling values than a pure one, especially considering the fact that the 19/1 loses +2 Cha?
    Whoops, I was thinking of 19 sorc/1 bard. >.>
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDearLeader View Post
    Yes, I could see a deeper splash being more successful. Splash the remaining 18 Sorc levels into Paladin, so you're 18 Paladin/2 Paladin, and I think the build would work rather well.
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    At one time... LONG ago... I believe there was no proration of SP bonus from items being doubled. So one level of Sorc was enough to get full double value from power/wizardry items. Coupled with the lack of good reasons to take the 10th level bard and the initial shot of SP from the 1 level of Sorc and the 9bard/1sorc build was a good build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpone View Post
    Whoops, I was thinking of 19 sorc/1 bard. >.>
    Even that split is a bit mysterious to me.
    Surely the Cha enhancements will give a benefit. But then, you'll lose the +3 haggle, granted by Improved Haggle II-IV. Is it really worth the trade? Or am I missing some Sorc pros here? (Never played one, so it could be...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaid314 View Post
    no, not really. it's not a completely horrible combination, but the benefit you get out of those 2 paladin levels doesn't really outweigh the loss of the 2 sorcerer levels, and i doubt you're gaining enough melee capability to make up for it
    Melee capability and Divine Grace feat. Adding your CHA bonus to all saves. You do not think this is valuable end-game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by karl_k0ch View Post
    Even that split is a bit mysterious to me.
    Surely the Cha enhancements will give a benefit. But then, you'll lose the +3 haggle, granted by Improved Haggle II-IV. Is it really worth the trade? Or am I missing some Sorc pros here? (Never played one, so it could be...)
    Probably cause can put full point instead of half point every lvl still no idea why would do that just make 20 bard :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khanyth View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by brian14 View Post
    Melee capability and Divine Grace feat. Adding your CHA bonus to all saves. You do not think this is valuable end-game?
    It is derailing the thread a bit, and at the same time it is not: If your capstone is a generally great benefit to your class, I am very hesitant to splash only lightly. This applies to the initial 19/1 split, but also a 18/2 Sorc split. If you are really interested in a pally splash on a Sorc, either another 4 Pally levels, or 2 Rog/Mnk levels, or even both, will give a better benefit than just giving up the capstone for a flat bonus to saves and access to martial weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    More proof that our evil plan is working?

    The plot thickens....

    >.> You posted this in the wrong thread, bud. Or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDearLeader View Post
    >.> You posted this in the wrong thread, bud. Or not?
    That's what he wants YOU to think...
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