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    Arrow Ultimate Half-Orc Strength (The 100+ Strength project)

    This is something I've been working on a while, to see exactly what it took to hit 100+ strength, and what the maximum limit is. Lots of people ask about the breakdowns, and what stacks with what, and most get it wrong. (Pretty sure mine is accurate, but let me know if you spot an error)

    So here it is, 100% verified ingame, ultimate maximum strength 100+ strength project / breakdown.. And challenge to see who can get it first =)

    Maximum Strength Build:
    Half-Orc Pure Barbarian 20:
    Amount Type - Source
    Permanent Bonuses
    20 Base - Creation
    05 Base - Level ups (4,8,12,16,20)
    02 Race - Half-Orc Enhancement
    04 Inherant - +4 Tome
    02 Feat - Might Capstone Enhancement
    02 Feat - Completionist

    Permanent Equipment based bonuses:
    07 Enchantment - Epic Red Dragon Helm
    03 Exceptional - +1 and +2 bonuses on the Encrusted ToD Ring
    02 Untyped - Frenzy Berserker III ToD Set Bonus

    Increases to rage, so near-permanent
    08 Rage - Mighty Rage
    04 Rage - Power Rage Enhancement
    02 Rage - Orc Power Rage Enhancement

    Temporary Bonuses:
    02 Untyped - Madstone
    02 Untyped - Double Madstone
    06 Untyped - Bloodrage*
    02 Untyped - Frenzy
    04 Untyped - Death Frenzy
    04 Untyped - Berserker's Fury Clicky
    02 Untyped - Yugoloth Potion
    02 Artifact - +2 Strength Ship Buff
    02 Store - DDO Store Potion
    02 Morale - Rage Spell
    04 Alchemical - Fabricators Bracers (Non stacking with +3 House D Potion)
    04 Profane - Hezrou Cookie**
    06 Psyonic - Titan Cookie**
    -------------------------------------
    Grand Total at full HP: 105
    +With Orc Fury (+6 Morale over Rage Spell (Morale) while under 10% HP)
    Grand Total: 111

    My total so far: 104 (Heh aparently 103 is the maximum the game can correctly display, any higher and it glitches out like this)
    103

    Other stackable sources that simply can't be fit in the same build:
    03 Feat - Fighter Enhancement (Conflicts with Capstone - Might, Death Frenzy and others)
    02 Size - Rams Might (Conflicts with Capstone - Might)
    06 Insight - Kensai Power Surge (Conflicts with Capstone, Death Frenzy and others)

    Star Notes:
    * Bloodrages ingame description is incorrect (or effect is bugged, either way). It states it provides +2, +2, +4 per level. But acutally provides +2,+2,+2 per level, for a total maximum of 6. Also keep in mind this is the most temporary and generally useless type of buff in the game, so it's not recommended and only listed for completeness.
    **Limited seasonal item that may change next festivult.

    Stacking notes:
    The general rule is that bonuses of the same type do not stack. Here are some exceptions:
    The following types of bonuses stack:
    Base: Since the only source of base bonuses are creation and levelups, they always stack.
    Untyped: It's unclear whether the developers simply forgot to include bonus types for these effects, or if they simply thought it would be more intuitive to not list them assuming players will understand they always stack.
    Rage: Barbarian Rage has it's own special rule since it's an inherant class ability, which always stacks with everything, game lists it's type as "enchantment", but thats mostly incorrect since enchantment type bonuses don't stack.
    Exceptional: Exceptional Bonuses only stack if they are of differing amounts. EG: +1 Exceptional stacks with +2, but not another source of +1.
    Feat: Since feats are meant to be powerful, you can generally expect bonuses attained from them to stack. The game sometimes lists enhancements as feat type bonuses in the breakdown also - Ex: Might Capstone. There are some exceptions to this rule however none apply to this breakdown.

    Keep in mind: Even tho these types stack, bonuses from the same source still do not stack ever. (Ex: If you had 2 identical rings with untyped bonuses to strength, they would not stack due to the way the game is coded they would be considered the same source)
    No other types of strength bonuses ever stack.
    Last edited by Shade; 09-14-2012 at 12:13 AM. Reason: imgfix only

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    +46 damage ftw!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vrobel View Post
    +46 damage ftw!
    Oh im THF. So its 46 x1.5 = +69 dmg. A much sexier number I must say.

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    You can see my many builds listed in this thread.

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    this wont get you any extra strength, but u could always get the titan gloves from mindsunder and save the cookie

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    And they say the high stats dont break this game, heh. Lemme see, what could I accomplish with a sorc that has 100+ cha, or a exploiter build with 100+ dex.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    And they say the high stats dont break this game, heh. Lemme see, what could I accomplish with a sorc that has 100+ cha, or a exploiter build with 100+ dex.
    hehe yea.

    I just need them to put in weapon that weighs 10 million pounds now so I can really crush it!

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    would the profane bonus from the might of the abishai set be worth putting on there?

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    If choker, house d pots, and cookies are worth listing anything is. +3 profane from abishi.

    I don't think it stacks with litany so +3 total.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoidRoid View Post
    If choker, house d pots, and cookies are worth listing anything is. +3 profane from abishi.

    I don't think it stacks with litany so +3 total.
    Probably doesn't stack with the +4 profane Hezrou Cookie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NaturalHazard View Post
    would the profane bonus from the might of the abishai set be worth putting on there?
    It wouldn't stack with profane bonus from cookies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    And they say the high stats dont break this game, heh. Lemme see, what could I accomplish with a sorc that has 100+ cha, or a exploiter build with 100+ dex.
    There is significantly higher advantage to having 100+ cha to a sorc than having 100+ str to a barb. At 100 + cha the dc on everything the sorc does would be above and beyond overpowered. Though the barb could trip everything or stun it without a stunning weapon, the barb still has the limitation of attacking 1 target (+ perhaps glancing blows) at a time. Yes the barb will tear things up, but given proper spell pen the sorc could walk through elite amrath with da red just pushing 1 button at 100 + cha.


    As far as the 100+ str goes- Neat, not sustainable, but fun. Those darn turn ins from house d should give more stat pots and less skill pots.

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    100+ STR stats and running around naked with 9AC: Priceless.
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    http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/7...rastrength.jpg

    found this somewhere but dont remember where. (this isnt my toon)

    (i also saw you posted a link in the OP, sorry for the repost)
    Last edited by bnastyy; 03-28-2011 at 01:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokanee View Post
    100+ STR stats and running around naked with 9AC: Priceless.
    Well he is a crazy berserker... the really amazing part is that the loin cloth provides 9 AC. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokanee View Post
    100+ STR stats and running around naked with 9AC: Priceless.
    That was definitely my favorite part =)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokanee View Post
    100+ STR stats and running around naked with 9AC: Priceless.
    "The best defense is a good offense."

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    Fighter Kensei II Power Surge is +8 Insight.

    I come up with 103 (or 109 with orc fury when nearly dead) going the HOrc 12Ftr/8Brb route
    the things that I lose out on, that I can see are:
    -4 (no mighty rage)
    -2 Only Power Rage II instead of PR IV
    -2 No barby capstone
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    The loss of this is countered by gaining Power Surge at Fighter 12.

    Beyond that, the only loss is the -4 from losing out on Death Frenzy.

    I think I could live with that -4 deficiency since it gains me 9 Haste Boost IV clickies, greater weapon spec and a couple of other things that I can't recall right now.

    Of course, your guy is much better kitted than mine! I'm only on life #1 with a +2 tome and very little raid gear (no luck on madstone boots or tower rings yet), leaving Lindsay at 58 Strength before the +43* from the TR, pot and clicky fest that she doesn't have yet either


    edit:
    Here's her actual breakdown right now:
    20 Base
    5 Levels
    3 Fighter Strength III
    2 Orcish Strength II
    2 +2 Tome
    2 Ship Buff
    6 Item
    2 Rage Spell
    4 Barb Rage
    1 Orcish Power Rage I
    1 Barbarian Power Rage I
    2 Frenzy clicky
    ---
    58 current

    What I'm missing:
    2 +4 tome
    2 Madstone
    2 2x Madstone
    3 Exceptional Str on ToD ring
    1 red dragon helm (or epic brawling gloves)
    1 Barbarian Power Rage II (enhancements got tight)
    1 Orcish Power Rage II (enhancements got tight)
    2 completionist
    6 bloodrage
    4 past life bonus
    4 berzerkers fury
    2 yugo pot
    2 store pot
    3 house D potion
    4 hezrou cookie
    6 titan cookie
    45

    58+45 = 103.
    Last edited by binnsr; 03-28-2011 at 05:59 PM. Reason: edit - lied about what enhancements i have :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by floating View Post
    There is significantly higher advantage to having 100+ cha to a sorc than having 100+ str to a barb. At 100 + cha the dc on everything the sorc does would be above and beyond overpowered. Though the barb could trip everything or stun it without a stunning weapon, the barb still has the limitation of attacking 1 target (+ perhaps glancing blows) at a time. Yes the barb will tear things up, but given proper spell pen the sorc could walk through elite amrath with da red just pushing 1 button at 100 + cha.


    As far as the 100+ str goes- Neat, not sustainable, but fun. Those darn turn ins from house d should give more stat pots and less skill pots.
    Not necessarily. Shade solos those amrath zones on elite as it is, even before the str total was that high. I think its a pretty fair comparison. If we could min max other stats to the extreme we can min max str, I think we would see how overpowered we have become. Here we have a game where you can make a DEX build, and still have higher STR than DEX at end game because of all the stacking str that is available. Even if you start a horc at 14 str and no level ups went into str, thats what 6 (difference between 14 and 20 starting) and 5 (level ups) for 11 str off the total - If 84 of that str is sustainable, a DEX build would still be at 73 STR. ROFLcopter. Seriously.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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